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Proposal on a TSC policy on upgrade 

carried from Aug 2

TSC 2018-08-02

10 m

Suggestion in comment on

So, you want your own mailing list?

Keong Lim
10 mins Handling of TSC policies 

 

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07:01:50 From Milind Jalwadi : #info proxy Milind Jalwadi, TechMahindra
07:01:53 From Srini Addepalli (Intel) : #info proxy Srini Addepalli, Intel
07:01:57 From steverummel : steven rummel proxy for Jason Hunt
07:01:59 From Stephen Terrill : #info Stephen Terrill, Ericsson
07:02:09 From Frank Brockners : #info Frank Brockners, Cisco
07:02:10 From Alla Goldner : #info Alla Goldner, Amdocs
07:02:12 From Susana (VF) : #info Susana Sabater, Vodafone
07:02:13 From steverummel : #info proxy Jason Hunt
07:02:23 From Ranny Haiby : #info Ranny Haiby, Nokia
07:02:29 From Mourad Takla (Verizon) : #info Mourad Takla, Verizon
07:02:37 From mazingilbert : #info mazin gilbert, ATT
07:02:51 From Zhaoxing : #info Zhaoxing Meng, ZTE
07:03:08 From Eric Debeau : #info Eric Debeau, Orange
07:03:13 From Chaker Al-Hakim : #info proxy Chaker Al-Hakim, Huawei
07:03:31 From Lingli : #info Lingli, CMCC
07:03:50 From Michael O'Brien (OOM, LOG, Amdocs) : Michael O = Acting PTL for OOM this week
07:05:20 From Murat Turpcu ( Turk Telekom) : #info Murat, Turk Telekom
07:08:52 From Lingli : Sorry was muted. The meetup in Xian is going great. We will share the material on the wiki after tomorrow.
07:11:33 From Lingli : +1 to Mazin's suggestion.
07:24:57 From Catherine Lefevre : SO - Sheshukov has been re-elected
07:25:03 From Catherine Lefevre : sorry Sheshukov
07:25:11 From Catherine Lefevre : Seshu.
07:25:37 From Eric Debeau : Congrats Seshu ;-)
07:26:00 From Ramki Krishnan : Hearty Congrats Seshu!
07:30:56 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action: kennypaul TSC ballot to ba a single ballot with language to differentiate between reserved/non-reserved seats.
07:34:26 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action: kennypaul to generate side-by-side sheet for december/jan developer session.
07:37:17 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action: kennypaul to circle back with subcommittees on elections
07:38:34 From xinhui li to Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) (Privately) : #info Xinhui Li, VMware
07:38:41 From xinhui li to Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) (Privately) : I can not login IRC
07:38:48 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #agreed: Steve T’s proposal on Handling of TSC Policies
07:38:58 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : Not using IRC today.
07:39:42 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #topic TSC Policy on Release Upgrades
07:43:17 From Murat Turpcu ( Turk Telekom) : can we have a tool to run on existing deployed instance to check if modules are healthy for a upgrade
07:44:24 From Murat Turpcu ( Turk Telekom) : we may have some spesific modifications on a module that may effect upgrade
07:46:08 From Srini Addepalli (Intel) : In my view, rolling upgrades are important to ensure that there is no service disruption.
07:48:11 From xinhui li : yes
07:48:26 From Keong : if rolling upgrades are achieved, then 6th monthly ONAP releases might become redundant
07:48:28 From xinhui li : rolling upgrades are important
07:50:11 From Keong : each ONAP project could have a "compatibility guarantee" in the spirit of Golang https://golang.org/doc/go1compat
07:53:19 From Brian : CCVPN should not assume carriers are on the same verions - capabilities that match at the MEF interface yes but should not have to be on the same release
07:54:26 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : # If interested in providing input to the proposal contact Steve T.
07:54:39 From Helen Chen : Do we support “out of service upgrade” or “in service upgrade”?
07:56:38 From Eric Debeau : Let's first concencrate on deployability and get clean installation.
07:57:19 From Eric Debeau : I believe that we should also check that the components are well designed to easily support upgrade
07:57:33 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #topic Suggestion of mailinglist handling
07:58:37 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #Keong Lim reviewed the proposal
07:58:47 From Michael O'Brien (OOM, LOG, Amdocs) : one of the issue with mailing list fragmentation is where to put mails based on topic - and where to find them - for example security, sdnc and release mails also span onap-discuss, and sdnc issue may impact other projects if it is devops related (ie a docker/helm/kubernetes issue)
08:02:31 From Brian : Confluence is the bigger issue
08:06:00 From Michael O'Brien (OOM, LOG, Amdocs) : tags perform the role of mailing list segregation
08:06:08 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action kenypaul need to provide better education on the use of the current groups.io system
08:08:24 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #topic wiki vs. read the docs
08:10:15 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : wiki represents moments in time in the development cycle.
08:11:40 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : difference between “how we did it” versus “how we are doing it now”
08:11:58 From Sharon Chisholm (Amdocs) : Note you can reference a specific version of a confluence page in a link
08:13:48 From Pamela Dragosh : +1 - Policy is reviewing our wikis and will be deleting/consolidating going forward. But it is a lot of work to correlate details on the wiki vs documentation for the release.
08:14:28 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : logical owner for maintenance would be the usecase owner for that piece
08:15:09 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : e2e documentation is needed and we are not there yet.
08:15:52 From Stephen Terrill : We have *started* to discuss in security what security documentation we need e2e / project.
08:18:53 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : Suggested that ONAP has a release manager
08:19:27 From Brian : I thik we dont have a PTL for readthedocs/documentation
08:20:17 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action kennypaul to check around with the LF on how other projects are staffing doc responsibility
08:22:45 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action Eric D to send an email pointing people at the correct doc repos
08:24:25 From Kenny Paul (Linux Foundation) : #action Eric D to put forward an enforcement proposal for the next TSC meeting.
08:30:11 From xinhui li : bye thx


Zoom Attendance Log 


Action Items

  • Kenny Paul TSC ballot to be a single ballot with language to differentiate between reserved/non-reserved seats 

  • Kenny Paul to generate side-by-side sheet for december/jan developer session
  • Kenny Paul  circle back with subcommittees on elections plans
  • Kenny Paul  provide better education on the use of the current groups.io system
  • Kenny Paul check around with the LF on how other projects are staffing doc responsibility
  • Eric Debeau send an email pointing people at the correct doc repos
  • Eric Debeau forward an enforcement proposal for the next TSC meeting
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