Pawel Pawlak: Hello, Beon! How are you?
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Pawel Pawlak: Hello! Good morning with the sir. How are you?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Morning, Paulo.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Doing well, sir, how are you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hello, Madessa!
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Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Everybody on. Good morning. Yes, I do.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Morning. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Power, can you hear me?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Somehow Power cannot hear me.
Pawel Pawlak: I I hear you now. I I had to switch. I had to switch my headphones in zoom. Sorry for that. Maybe it was on my phone.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Okay. Good. Then.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, guys, I think there will be just 3 of us today. I got some feedback from Maggie that she has some conflicting meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: and we remember Tony's on holidays, and Amy is on holidays, too.
Pawel Pawlak: How.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Maybe what she's in the Korea I don't know. Maybe holiday.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't recall the details.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: I think she's in London.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay? Cause okay, that's good cause or in security face to face. Meeting is in South Korea. Now, just.
Pawel Pawlak: Wow, that's okay for me.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Curious.
Pawel Pawlak: Maybe it's the case.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I don't.
Pawel Pawlak: You can see the screen.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, yes.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't have that many topics to address, however, just a small updates
Pawel Pawlak: so for the packages, upgrades for the new Delhi. Okay, we've had this discussion at the last. Tsc. And Andreas confirmed
Pawel Pawlak: that his tests are not failing. So
Pawel Pawlak: I think we will. We will simply close this one.
Pawel Pawlak: I checked that. The access for the nexus IQ dashboard is working fine for me.
Pawel Pawlak: I can see all the reports that are
Pawel Pawlak: for the for the drinking jobs that that were run. So yeah, I I don't feel that
Pawel Pawlak: to spend time on this.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm. We discussed last time about the logging modifications. It's more for Oslo. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: Point not to not to spend time. If we consider Githap actions. I don't know if you recall young
Pawel Pawlak: I think that just mentioned. Q. 4, 24. At the last year.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, they, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's working on it. Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. So work in progress, but
Pawel Pawlak: not Q. 3, but more. Q. 4 for us.
Pawel Pawlak: I guess for 11 aim L.
Pawel Pawlak: There is no specific update to
Pawel Pawlak: just to confirm.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, hang on
Pawel Pawlak: Nephi Sophie security working group billing anything that you would like.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No nephew the Rahul he presented the the walk road. Identity to working group 2 in nephew, that's the one and no content changes.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: So the the update we have from the 28 is is still valid. Right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Same. Yeah. And then we are going to review the his presentation at the nephew she executed today. So this I'll I'll update next week. So.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, so let me just add some comment that update is expected next week. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, yes.
Pawel Pawlak: We will not use lose this.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: okay.
Pawel Pawlak: So next week will be 18.th
Pawel Pawlak: Alright. Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Security implementation status. Okay, we had this.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): They postpone to. Oslo. They postpone to Oslo so
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): officially, they said.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You're gonna work on those, though
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): not new. Their leads.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and for the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): security, I'm not sure we have a separate section there, Paul. I asked a policy team Edison team to prepare gold badging, as you said.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and also the for the part of the goal batch. I asked them to check if they can follow the Bob Edmund's log standard format
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): like the Cps cps. I think Cps is the only one. So they are going to. I I'm checking with them if they can. You know. Copy the cps
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): the way of the logging following the, you know, conforming, conforming the standard we define
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so, and we'll see, I'll I'll let you know. You know.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, yeah. So I'm adding the point about the gold badge for policy team. And we will be, you know.
Pawel Pawlak: exploring it for the, you know, upcoming weeks we targeted for Oslo, so we still have
Pawel Pawlak: some time to to work on it with the team right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah. Not to forget. Also, Paul's team. I asked them to prepare a presentation to Tsc
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): for all pair or new, mobile
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): or parent.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Their removal. I think they did the United. They did. From Po they removed or param from policy, and we are arranging some kind of I'll let you know tomorrow if they can. Present this Thursday Tsc.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But otherwise next week, so.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay.
Pawel Pawlak: I'm not sure if you have anything to add for Isio, and I'm with mesh.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, still, you know, still, working in progress, and we are starting it so.
Pawel Pawlak: For the Tsc last week. So okay, go and share the own up layers on report with the C. And the V.
Pawel Pawlak: We had discussion among those issues that were open by Mark and Tony, and that was still in pending. So I hope this could be
Pawel Pawlak: handled by by Matt or Jess.
Pawel Pawlak: We have no major issues with sign off right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Right. That's the expectation on on yesterday. There's some
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): The documentation is late. Otherwise we're gonna talk tomorrow and Thursday. But for now we plan for that
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and and also tag one
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): that they are. They create a branch for ui. So I said, Yeah, yeah, they're working with. So if we have some issue, Thursday is possible one more week, but getting there.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay? And we have no.
Pawel Pawlak: As I mentioned before, Salem jobs, failing or unstable, are not impacting
Pawel Pawlak: or ambience, which is, which is, which is good and important for us
Pawel Pawlak: if we consider on a on a focus for the future. So I think this is already mentioned several times, and
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know if we we need something to add on this.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, that's the room. And then I think I asked them to, this is target for also.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So I ask them to review their architecture impact and then plan at the outcome. You know, whenever they are comfortable. So then, once they do, I'll I'll share information here.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay, thank you, Liam. So for the Pts call it was pretty short yesterday. Sorry. Sorry to be young. I was driving a car, and I could not speak all the time. I wanted to speak, but.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, not a.
Pawel Pawlak: Problem.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Not a problem.
Pawel Pawlak: i i i mentioned about the issues that Mariton Marick and Tony. They they opened right, and they're under Matt
Pawel Pawlak: support, right? So I hope could be it could be fixed.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, I'm not.
Pawel Pawlak: And we had regular. Let's say, New Delhi.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Greece from the east.
Pawel Pawlak: Release. Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So for this one Pto, keg, one will update the Ui branch documentation release note.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, I still want.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then we remove the Sdnc. And then so update from the New Daily we postpone session, you said, is, too. It's not comfortable.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Bring into New Delhi with too short time, so he will move to Java. 17 upgrade to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oslo.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): That's he said. Okay, so that means we are. We are. We are, we are there so.
Pawel Pawlak: But great.
Pawel Pawlak: I will make it make some note on this. Alright.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you for the tech anything, Budassa. You would like to
Pawel Pawlak: mention.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I know that it's the same update from the last week.
Pawel Pawlak: Huh!
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Basically we're gonna meet. I think.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the meeting is this week. Wednesday.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so it's a CNTI and paraglider
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): projects gonna be discussed.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): induction into Lfn.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then in the future 5G. Super blueprint induction.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, so.
Pawel Pawlak: followed by
Pawel Pawlak: by 5. G. Septa group in Induction,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, they're looking at paraglider. It's
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): multi-cloud network deployment.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): capability
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that Ib and Microsoft and Google work together
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): is gonna come in
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): as a project itself. Right now it's a candidate project.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and that's kind of status where
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Linux Foundation.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But sort of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): helps the technology grow.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Come in, and once they decide whether they want to go to Networking Edge or AI,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): then that particular foundation picks it out.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Right now. Paraglider is parked with Linux foundation mothership.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and their intent is to join Lfn.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So one correction you don't need to put parentheses on paraglider. You can delete super blueprint.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Writing is really
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): about paraglider.
Pawel Pawlak: So 5G. Paraglider this.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): No no just tag lighter.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 5G. Super blueprint is an additional sentence. You can add
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that 5G. Super blueprint will be considered after these 2 projects.
Pawel Pawlak: okay. 5. G. Supergroupins.
Pawel Pawlak: Who
Pawel Pawlak: considered.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): In the future. It's by a couple of months, right? It's we only get 2 calls. It's a 2 biweekly call.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and there is a 2 week waiting period. So between
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Cnti and Parad lighter is gonna be a few months down the road.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Hmm!
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: thank you for this update.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm, hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: and the projects maturity assessment, anything that we can add.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, it's basically
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): off-site.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know, waiting. See what Tony has to say when he comes back?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we wanna insert something on the majority level where you could actually
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): see what percentage or how often these certain
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): quality matrices are followed.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We already have some right, maybe
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): technical debt. Reduction can be added.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): time to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): patch. Vulnerability can be added right? 90 days, 60 days, or whatever
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): other stuff is already there. Not not a whole lot of changes need to be made.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So if he agrees, I think we can
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): update maturity, project, maturity level.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): my dog's babysitters here, and he gets excited.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: it's okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Just give me one second. He's about to go out.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): He goes and start looking for his leash and his collar and stuff to bring it to her, so you can go quickly.
Pawel Pawlak: okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so I think that's well. My plan is that we take that. Then we communicate that back to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): tag.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then going forward. A
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): project promotion
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to next level
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): will be dependent on the maturity assessment.
Pawel Pawlak: Moving.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Projects like to bring in and like right now.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Project, nephew
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): didn't go through that sandbox and incubation, and that.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Rhythm right? It just went straight.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And that's because they had the Tsc. They had the processes and all that kind of stuff.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that you know. This kind of activity, then, can be strictly governed by maturity assessment process
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and see if they're actually doing that.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We can probably get our quality goals implemented by
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): project, maturity, assessment, tool.
Pawel Pawlak: so that's.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's the plan.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: You for sharing.
Pawel Pawlak: moving forward. Okay, for the Clm. Scan for the Mg. Portal did fit
Pawel Pawlak: mentioned that, did he progress or not?
Pawel Pawlak: I I don't.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I don't need call.
Pawel Pawlak: He was not. He was not there right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): He was.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Who's there? He was there, but he didn't mention too much. We can ask at Tsc.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, cause this is this is just one
Pawel Pawlak: job that is missing for ui right? And
Pawel Pawlak: if only
Pawel Pawlak: he gets the the required support from from the left.
Pawel Pawlak: IP.
Pawel Pawlak: I think that this is something we should achieve for the also. Okay, I'm not.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You! He!
Pawel Pawlak: Genuinely. But for Oslo it should be already the case.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): He was there, but the I think the pretty getting there, so we we can double check you know, Thursday, but I think the Pto, I is pretty. Okay. But I have to remember what he said, so
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): okay,
Pawel Pawlak: Okay,
Pawel Pawlak: I think this is it I have for today anything that we can plan for the next week. Apart from what we already discussed. There are several items be shared as updates.
Pawel Pawlak: or we could discuss something more today.
Pawel Pawlak: Are there any specific topics that we could address.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Not from me, not from me.
Pawel Pawlak: On the side.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Don't have a whole lot, but I'm thinking,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): some of the
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): sort of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): ongoing things that we've spent a lot of time.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Really is
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the product and is documentation that goes back and forth. I think we saw a little bit on. Ptl, call to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): yeah, we do.
Pawel Pawlak: Meeting those branches, and so on, right by.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I I think lot of people have this concept
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that if it's an open source code
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it's best set for, take it, whatever it is right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that's just
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): reality. But I think if we wanna be successful, we really have to ensure people who are interested, they can follow documentation. So now we have the opportunity for this aggregated on App light coming out.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We can figure out what the documentation is gonna look like
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): because we're taking some complexity out.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And the software.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we should take the complexity out of information in the documents that we produce.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Maybe there needs to be some sort of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): standardized format, that rest of the you know, these type of products follow
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that can be put together
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): from existing contents. I know it's it's a big lift.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We're hardly catching up on our release notes and other things.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But that's something we should consider, because to me
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the the more informed user is
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): less security mistakes they make
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to 2.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And with currently the way our documentation currently is right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it's just not feasible somebody to accurately do it unless they got 5 or 10 people working on own app integration for about 6 months or more
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and moving
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so that we need to kind of figure out
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it's not
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): generally considered
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): security issue.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): because everybody thinks that anybody who's who's gotten admin rights or security rights.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): they're already being trained.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But in our case, between own app product and user actually using it. That training is missing. There's no mechanism. Right? You you self engage and self assess and self train.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Do I think that's gonna be a big issue
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): for the usability and popularity of this tool.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): You know, we don't do something. That that increases the adaptability and usability.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think other
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): projects like nephew and some other you know, newcomers
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): can bring in capability. That's easy to use.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then one app will be irrelevant right now, Tanker still have a good fit as a multi domain orchestrator.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If we can just make it easy to use.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so just that in Oslo we are already thinking about it. So it's a good point.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So, and China, mobile China telecom, they definitely wants to handle that one. So I took Dtf, I mentioned.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): in also, are we gonna focus on documentation? But we need to discuss how to what kind of documentation we gonna provide. I could you mentioned our nephew? Right? They have a user guide. They have a you know, some other, you know guides. That's pretty
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): one page 2 page, they understand. And so maybe we gonna copy the some kind of structure we we're gonna discuss a Tsc.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, the good point.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, I think it's.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We could pick any format right? So you easily.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if there are commands involved.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know it's it's almost like a index of commands and their use.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That could on itself be created. Then you have
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): administration guide. That could be 2 or 3 types. One is usually
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): design and planning like, how do you plan your network? That's gonna incorporate this tool.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): then that's just you know, daily Admin guide
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then there's sometime there's a troubleshooting guide, right? These are like 4 topic areas
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): for some, something small could be 5 pages long right? Half a page. Troubleshooting guy like we get
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): when we buy micro electronics. All they give you is, hey, you have a warranty. Just call us right. There's no troubleshooting.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but they may tell you, hey, reboot this check the power. If all this doesn't work, then call us
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think these, if these topics are covered one way or the other, is a good start
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): installing
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 1st time provisioning.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think that nothing else
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we need to get that thing like so smoothed out that you download like you're downloading a script
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): hit enter. It takes you to next step. The next step is documented.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and you know, 80 step later you're done, and it should only take you about 2, 3 h.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I I think it's a good idea. And then also I in also is pretty good, because
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): we don't have many project left. So, you know, if you probably shuffed how to use it, how to, you know, design, how to troubleshoot, how to integrate, and
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): the the function to function. Then, if we are creating said Ease. To use document, it'd be nice.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think the for now current documentation is huge and they just focus on the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): what they are doing plan. But now we
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): kind of mature.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and we know how to use it. How to, you know. Make it better for solution purposes. Maybe this is good. I think, yeah, I think we're gonna definitely talk about this good point.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So usually, you know, when I was with the product development groups, we used to create this kind of stuff
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and the best places where end-to-end solution is put together.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So in Cisco it was always solution labs. They will do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): document writing and verification
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to usually the business unit will give you initial draft.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Oh.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the developer manager will add stuff to it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then in the solution, where in our case, it might be integration stage, right. That's where all components get stood up
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): configured.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and we look at. See if everything is working fine.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's the process end users gonna do right? You're gonna bring something in. So we may have to either create a task force
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or request integration groups to kind of take this extra burden of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): writing the instruction how to install provision on app.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then we can just
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): basically collect for troubleshooting or
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): administration. Go back to each project related project to get their advice.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. The nephew. They are using documentation in. Get it up.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I wasn't sure, are we gonna take it, you know, but is is pretty many developers they already familiar with that. So you know, go to get. And then
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, with the code. And then also documentation nice in one place, many open source. They handed their one. But yeah, we definitely wanna discuss that? Yeah, so.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We could do the same way, too. Right? It's not. Problem is not where the information is. Problem is, is information in the right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, what kind of information we're gonna provide we for? Easy to, yeah, understand? So so we we need to discuss this with Thomas, you know the Pabo Tsc, and then, you know, so
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): definitely
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): as I said, the Dtf definitely outcome that we are planning for that that documentation also. I'm working on the architecture documentation from New Delhi.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): for how to, you know, getting more information about the each functional. And then but in also, I'm gonna put heavy documentation for their desktop plan
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): from architecture view. And then also, as you suggested, top of that, you know, troubleshooting guide, you know, some user guide.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): we if we can put that, it will be nice. So okay, that's good.
Pawel Pawlak: Sounds sounds good, very good.
Pawel Pawlak: So shipping.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna discuss this input Tsc, I mean.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And forward the order goes along, so.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, anything else that we could address today?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): That's it for me.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Now that's it for me, too.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Thank you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Joining and hope to hear you next week. Guys have a wonderful rest of the day.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Take care.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you. Bye, bye.