Maggie Cogdell: Hi Bill.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hi! How are you, Maggie? How are you?
Maggie Cogdell: I'm doing. Well, how's it going.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Good. Good. I'm just hanging in here very hot, very hot.
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah, I know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: Hopefully. It'll cool off a little bit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And yesterday cooled out a little bit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Going back and asking.
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: My dog likes to go out in the evening, so when it's cooler.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Alright! Dog! Is not happy!
Maggie Cogdell: She stares at me like. Let's go
Maggie Cogdell: so simple.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yep.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): hi, Modesta.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah. So how are you doing? Just other than.
Maggie Cogdell: I got so the team I'm working with we got the new Deli version running
Maggie Cogdell: and
Maggie Cogdell: we
Maggie Cogdell: they were able to
Maggie Cogdell: configure like https and key cloak
Maggie Cogdell: cell.
Maggie Cogdell: I was
Maggie Cogdell: happy with that.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Because I.
Maggie Cogdell: I wanted to test some of the security pieces, you know.
Maggie Cogdell: within an app. So
Maggie Cogdell: so they were able to get that up and running. Yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: so
Maggie Cogdell: and then they're connected to open
Maggie Cogdell: 5 GS.
Maggie Cogdell: So they have
Maggie Cogdell: their little the well, I say their lab up and running.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, good. That's good. Then.
Maggie Cogdell: So yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: so we're making some progress. Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Were they able to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): on board
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): apps and deploy it through onap? Are you still looking at the own app standalone
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): examination?
Maggie Cogdell: So we're
Maggie Cogdell: So they are focusing on using, like Dcae to get metrics
Maggie Cogdell: from the core.
Maggie Cogdell: So it's
Maggie Cogdell: more concentration on that.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Okay.
Maggie Cogdell: Not so much deploying applications.
Maggie Cogdell: I'll let you know, Madasser, if we try to do something like that. But it's it's mainly
Maggie Cogdell: own, app integrated with open 5 GS. And then trying to get use Dca. To get those, and like pro Prometheus, to get the the metrics from the core, the performance metrics from there.
Maggie Cogdell: So
Maggie Cogdell: and it's so.
Maggie Cogdell: It's it's been a bit of a struggle to get. So you have to get traffic through there, you know, like ue traffic, you know.
Maggie Cogdell: So
Maggie Cogdell: yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: like, they're
Maggie Cogdell: they're using an Amerisoft call box, you know.
Maggie Cogdell: to generate traffic. And it's you know.
Maggie Cogdell: sometimes things don't work with, you know
Maggie Cogdell: the core properly, you know. So all these all these things don't always work together smoothly.
Maggie Cogdell: I'm finding out, you know. So
Maggie Cogdell: yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I I think there's a 2 aspects right? So Greenfield versus
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): brown Field.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you have a
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): open 5 Gs. Or some other thing running. How do you bring it into own app for management, monitoring and life, size.
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Another one is.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you start from scratch, and then you know.
Maggie Cogdell: Testing you.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): You know how well
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): own app performs in
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): secure deployment and secure operations.
Maggie Cogdell: The l.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think both both are likely, because that's real life scenario. If you're gonna use the new tool.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you want to use it for new instantiation. But
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you don't wanna have 3 different tools to monitor your same system. So you probably.
Maggie Cogdell: Dale.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Dca. E.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): To bring already deployed
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): network elements.
Maggie Cogdell: Or who
Maggie Cogdell: Gail.
Maggie Cogdell: I hope we can get there. So, and then
Maggie Cogdell: I'm just working on
Maggie Cogdell: the process that we have to go through to publish things to the Linux Foundation. So
Maggie Cogdell: trying to get that?
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah,
Maggie Cogdell: the paperwork done. Basically. Yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: So
Maggie Cogdell: bye, bobble.
Pawel Pawlak: Hello, Hello, Maggie! Good morning. Everyone.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): 8.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. So I propose we slowly start welcome on our own Security Subcommittee Monthly meeting
Pawel Pawlak: brief look at the agenda for today. I wanted to share with you some
Pawel Pawlak: news from the Cyber Security Conference. I
Pawel Pawlak: participated last week.
Pawel Pawlak: and also Amy made the list of the deprecated
Pawel Pawlak: repositories, so we could.
Pawel Pawlak: if you take a look
Pawel Pawlak: oops, I think I made some other basic.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, no! I put that vap.
Pawel Pawlak: Vdb, okay.
Pawel Pawlak: yeah. I already mentioned last week about as as boomerama
Pawel Pawlak: registration. And some updates from
Pawel Pawlak: the latest meetings we had.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, okay, so let's
Pawel Pawlak: go
Pawel Pawlak: and started. So
Pawel Pawlak: last week there was a conference in Krakow, south of Poland for the cyber security.
Pawel Pawlak: A lot of governmental people.
Pawel Pawlak: interesting
Pawel Pawlak: presentations! And I wanted to share with you
Pawel Pawlak: some interesting
Pawel Pawlak: report that is
Pawel Pawlak: prepared by European agency for the threat and landscape.
Pawel Pawlak: and on page 47 you can see.
Pawel Pawlak: You know.
Pawel Pawlak: You can download the report, and there is a speed
Pawel Pawlak: between the vendors
Pawel Pawlak: and number of Cvs. They generate
Pawel Pawlak: or generated. So yeah, I wanted to
Pawel Pawlak: share with you some, some in interesting info. If you wanna explore.
Maggie Cogdell: Was it pretty well attended? Pavel.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, yeah, 100 hundreds of people. I it's difficult for me to say how many.
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Many of them were participating. But yeah, I would say
Pawel Pawlak: it was
Pawel Pawlak: really, really big event, if I consider, you know Polish
Pawel Pawlak: Polish event. But let's say.
Pawel Pawlak: international presence right? Not not polish, only.
Maggie Cogdell: Okay. Alright!
Pawel Pawlak: On things.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): On that topic, Paul. For rest of us.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the Gsma fraud and Security group and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Fraud and Security Architecture group. Both are considering
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): creating a
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): working group to look into threat actor attributions. As you know.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): they have this threat intelligence sharing platform called misp.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So all the operators
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): who participate voluntarily report into incidents, into misp.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But there wasn't any
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): anybody reporting threat attributions like they basically use Mitoch
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to classify
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if they know
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): how event took place, what techniques were used.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But they weren't looking into
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): categorizing the threat actors or doing any investigation. So that's some new initiative. They're starting.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know. So
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): another publication F is 31, which is mobile telecom
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): security control.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): There's an update change request where they are going to map.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And Nissa threats
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to FS. 31 controls
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to see if there are gaps right. Nice working item. There's supposed to be having a call in July
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to review the mapping.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and if there is, and I think there are about 17 or so threats, they're not covered by any controls in the 1st draft.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So the idea is to just kind of see
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): anything that can be done
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to cover those threats.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's very related to what Anissa has done. Some work.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They take an issue seriously.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think it's 2 facts. One is a regulatory European Union.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Pay attention to the agencies, finding and reports like threat reports and stuff. And the thing. If the Mno community doesn't do anything on their own.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Europe may take
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): legislative route and make it a requirement.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So there is this sense of urgency. Right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Let's do liaison and collaboration with
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): like Ncs in Uk, Anisa in Europe.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or Sisa, and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): US.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): To
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): kind of stay ahead of it
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): do something within the
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the commercial environment. So the legislators don't have to go and mandate something.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So that document may come out in a couple of months.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you're not familiar with, I think, he said.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If your organization's member of Gsma. You have access to that document.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): There are 2 documents. One is Fs. 30. That talks about the threats as
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): understood by Gsma
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and Fs. 31 is really
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): controls
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): recommendation against those threats.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Good to know. Thank you for sharing on the side.
Pawel Pawlak: Do you mind to update? Maybe this? You know, we could add some some small.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah. Line related.
Pawel Pawlak: To to it. So obviously, just mentioning, okay, there is this. Fs 30 and Fs 31. And
Pawel Pawlak: if somebody's interested could.
Pawel Pawlak: let's try to to find a way to get the
Pawel Pawlak: documents.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Will be, nice. Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, so thank you for sharing.
Pawel Pawlak: So Amy, thank you for creating the the list of the reports. We briefly
Pawel Pawlak: review it with the ptls on Monday with view.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm!
Pawel Pawlak: I think the the next steps would be for us to take a look. If if there are any comments for from you guys.
Pawel Pawlak: and then finally, to present it.
Pawel Pawlak: Put the Tsc on Thursday and have some
Pawel Pawlak: some like
Pawel Pawlak: approval acceptance.
Pawel Pawlak: maybe even the voting process
Pawel Pawlak: to
Pawel Pawlak: to to share food there with Jess, and.
Pawel Pawlak: you know, make this
Pawel Pawlak: cleaning housekeeping, whatever
Pawel Pawlak: you added. Vvp, right right new. So any comments. And then.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah, I I just added, just in case the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): a Amy didn't put. So I'm not sure just intentionally or not. So
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): one of the Bbp component is deprecated too. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Amy, did you find a Bvp.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Let me look again. I think that the reason I didn't put Vvp down is it's already been removed. But let me.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Double check.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): That I may.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): It real quick. I I can do that in a matter of seconds.
Pawel Pawlak: It's under Clm. Right? So if you go to Junction.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Should be under Clm. It's no longer under Clm.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, no no longer. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): If you can check now.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, I just checked.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): It's no longer under. The last thing under Clm. Is the Nf. SDK.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, the view is already gone. Then.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm, okay.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): And on a related subject, and I updated something, I think, on the Ptl. Because there was a question about
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): the next, the next Gen. Portal
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): and I double checked the reports that are posted up on the vulnerability, the protected vulnerability. Wiki.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): actually has the the reports for portal ng.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): because the although they're not showing in the Clm. Jobs, the jobs are running on nexus IQ. So so the automation which is done via the Apis is pulling out. That information is, is
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): collecting that information.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, we've had also interesting discussion with feta yesterday.
Pawel Pawlak: because, in fact, he mentioned that he
Pawel Pawlak: let me phrase it properly. So the portal and G. Is not
Pawel Pawlak: Java based.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Correct.
Pawel Pawlak: And he has some difficulties to.
Pawel Pawlak: you know he needs to ensure that.
Pawel Pawlak: you know. Drink the the nexus IQ.
Pawel Pawlak: Is capable of, you know, scanning
Pawel Pawlak: his repositories with with success. So, in other words.
Pawel Pawlak: if supports
Pawel Pawlak: hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: If supports
Pawel Pawlak: the.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, that that totally. I I believe it does.
Pawel Pawlak: I think he's not.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Let me look!
Pawel Pawlak: No, js, if not, if I'm not wrong. If I remember.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, let me pull up the report from the 21.st So from last Friday.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): so portal one g.
Pawel Pawlak: So for the Vvp. I will. I will make a comment. This is already removed. Right? You okay, for you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, sure. Yeah, that's good. Just I don't like show this. So.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm double checking. Yeah, it's not showing up in any of our reports.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Super. Super. Thank you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So the problem. So we, you know, forward this. I mean this to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Jessica this Thursday, and then.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes. See? I believe, I hope, yeah, yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Candystieresis.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So the but the portal Ng. Is showing is they have nothing to upgrade. But let me let me see what the notes are in.
Pawel Pawlak: Because if you if you remember, Amy, there was a missing
Pawel Pawlak: scanned. It was for the ui right.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Correct.
Pawel Pawlak: And and this ui is
Pawel Pawlak: is simply not js, based, or
Pawel Pawlak: if I'm not, if I'm not wrong. So
Pawel Pawlak: the question is, if nexus IQ is capable of scanning
Pawel Pawlak: this particular.
Pawel Pawlak: you know language
Pawel Pawlak: to to provide accurate results right.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Right.
Pawel Pawlak: And it means that
Pawel Pawlak: maybe it's it should be part of the tickets. That feature already opened right. And there is someone going
Pawel Pawlak: discussion with Jess.
Pawel Pawlak: Get confirmation from from Jess. Okay, we have
Pawel Pawlak: project component right? That utilizes this language east nexus IQ
Pawel Pawlak: capable of, you know, scan providing the scan results for the software composition analysis
Pawel Pawlak: that we need
Pawel Pawlak: guys, any comments, any questions for the for the items mentioned here.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'm good.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): There is. So so, according to
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): the Sonotype website.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): there is an ide Plugin for Node Js.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Or js, ui.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah. Well, I'll have to look into this more.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. And we had some discussion with being yesterday also about this external Api and not both interface. So I added some
Pawel Pawlak: some additional info. That's
Pawel Pawlak: probably is the same right Nbi and external Api.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I think the diagram active diagram show India as a logical relationship with the external system. And okay, you can consider. For now
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): he's the same.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think we don't see any report from
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Nbi. Separate. Mbi.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay? So if there are no comments for this section, let's move forward. So Esban Orama.
Pawel Pawlak: So if you
Pawel Pawlak: are interested, please register.
Pawel Pawlak: There will be
Pawel Pawlak: an event. You can participate, physically or virtually.
Pawel Pawlak: at least for the 1st day.
Pawel Pawlak: So yeah, interesting.
Pawel Pawlak: You know. What's what are the news coming from Esbon
Pawel Pawlak: theme.
Pawel Pawlak: if we consider the packages upgrades for a new Delhi. So, following our discussion last week, I dropped
Pawel Pawlak: 2 emails, 1 1 to done
Pawel Pawlak: and one to address Andress is on holidays, I think, till the end of the month, so I don't expect a response before.
Pawel Pawlak: And yeah for Dan, I don't think I received yet. Response. Probably he's he's super busy.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm!
Pawel Pawlak: And beyond, I think you open the ticket right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I did, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, so we have, we have the number we have, we have it. Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: So I think we, we are good here.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So I after I open ticket she wants to have repo name. That's why we know.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, definitely. So
Pawel Pawlak: we are on track. So
Pawel Pawlak: on Thursday, we should be able to share the list with this.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm. I guess no updates coming from
Pawel Pawlak: from
Pawel Pawlak: ragging.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Not not not wait for the Oslo. You're saying, Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Awesome.
Pawel Pawlak: Github actions. I don't think
Pawel Pawlak: you have anything new here for the moment, at least
Pawel Pawlak: as well for the elephant aiml unless case, if you have any news piece, sure.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'm not yet. Nephews.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. China, mobile China telecom. They're gonna do something for this Mosul. So once they hear the architecture view and then some requirement. I'm gonna share here. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): not not for now.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: For nephew. Anything.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Issue is only only only process. Only progress is.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and they choose which branch to check in the workload identity. That's the only things. They actually start checking in the code
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): into a main branch.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Initially, we tried to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): do some
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): separate branch, but you know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): we we talked to nephew. You know the development team that you know, it's okay to put into Main branch.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): It's only the minor impact as boost trap Controller
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): has to be printed there
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): to connecting that to sipa server. So anyway, they are working on.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, so for in progress, right
Pawel Pawlak: thanks.
Pawel Pawlak: Implementation status for the security and.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): The the A and just guy. So he put some of the input from Tata into New Delhi. But more in, you know, the implementation will be
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): in the Oslo. Same.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, yeah. So we have postponed Oslo.
Pawel Pawlak: We have gold badge.
Pawel Pawlak: for policy team. So.
Pawel Pawlak: Tony, you are back from holidays. I hope you had a good time
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I did. I was actually.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I was actually in your time zone.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, really you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Into Europe.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah. I was in Denmark for a few.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, you went to Legoland.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I did.
Pawel Pawlak: Alright!
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Not not to the amusement park, but.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. Okay. Good. Good. I, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Nice.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Nicely, so so.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Ancestral home.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No.
Pawel Pawlak: So we have this policy team that is, not far away for
Pawel Pawlak: getting to to get to Gold Badge. And Tony mentioned yesterday.
Pawel Pawlak: that he's working on the governance.
Pawel Pawlak: and, let's say.
Pawel Pawlak: level to to be able to modify some some answers
Pawel Pawlak: for barging for the entire on up, because this are this should be consistent answers. So
Pawel Pawlak: yeah, Tony, would you like to give something
Pawel Pawlak: some additional feedback here,
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): so approximately. A 3rd of the requirements
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): on the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): badging are
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): project
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): wide.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): the answers to them should be pretty much identical across all the projects, and we've always dealt with that by
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): giving example answers in the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): on the wiki.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and and
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): some projects
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): have done that, and others have not.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Particularly for the higher
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): level areas.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): so
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): that that's 1 aspect.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): we're
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): all all the projects should have the same answer. Essentially.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oh, okay.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): we have an editor. Well,
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): last summer we trans, or last fall we transferred the ownership
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): of all of the own app projects to
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Sandra.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): actually, it was just a few months ago after David Mcbride left.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and we accomplish this transfer.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And now.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Sandra is capable of going in making changes to all of them, and she's actually willing to do that.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Another aspect is, there are a number of
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): projects that are now unmaintained, and should be marked as such.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): the badging criteria
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): cause. There is a field for that.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): number of years ago actually wrote a tool that
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): allows you to.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): If if you have ownership of, or editorship on multiple projects. You can.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): none
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): modify all of them at once.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and just
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): looks
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): so well. Python script
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm having a meeting with Sandra tomorrow
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): to talk about some of these issues.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and hopefully, we can
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): very soon have
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): some consistent answers across the board for all of the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): project wide
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): criteria.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): sir
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Amy, remember the work that you had
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): the summer student do a couple of years ago.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yes.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): That now becomes pertinent.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Go.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So it'd be
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): useful to dig that information up.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): See what we can use from it.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I think that.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, I could.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Interesting.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, I got a message from Sandra
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): last hmm, Thursday saying.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): or actually, while I was on vacation. But
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): thanks.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): let's do this. So we're gonna do it.
Pawel Pawlak: All right.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Great.
Pawel Pawlak: Fantastic news coming.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, that's good.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So, Tony, question. So policy team is preparing for the gold batching any any. So since you're working on it Sandra any
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): pages, and they have to look and to prepare, or some they have to wait.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): No, if you're
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): if you're working on
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): certain items, then
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): no, it's
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): the the things that was
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): we will touch.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): R.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Answers.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): For, for example, the multi-factor authentication.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): no. We now have multi-factor authentication across the board for all of our projects.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And so the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): answer to
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): no, that particular question
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): should be the same across all our projects.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I mean the day you you have a questiony the Wiki pages. I think that they are looking at the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): the pages, and then they go through one by one. So that's why you're gonna
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): out there.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Have the meeting with the policy team next time.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And they, gonna you know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): there's a questions and they have to provide answer. Then we're gonna go through. We're gonna leave you. That's why any any major change.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So I would concentrate on the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): answers that are application specific.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And let us work on the ones that are
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): own. App. Wide.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay? Hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: Makes.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah. So if you if you go into the my dashboard
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): take a look.
Pawel Pawlak: On, the.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): There there are. There's a way of looking at
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): no which
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): ones are
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): own, app wide, and which ones are application specific.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): can you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Can you know.
Pawel Pawlak: Do you mind? Do you mind to share the link? I I don't. It was funny.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): You know. Man.
Pawel Pawlak: One.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): TL hansen.us
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): slash badging.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): It's TL
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): not auto. Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: TL.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And so.
Pawel Pawlak: Room.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Dot us.
Pawel Pawlak: Note
Pawel Pawlak: Us.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): As a slash badge
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): or badging. I don't remember.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Own app.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Try slash badging.
Pawel Pawlak: Nudging me.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Or slash own app. Will that work too.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And second, one second choice. Yeah.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): There's.
Pawel Pawlak: Single, project.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Click on the top one ona.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Phone or top one. Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. Clothing.
Pawel Pawlak: So being, will you share the link with?
Pawel Pawlak: yeah. But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So, yeah, okay, I'm gonna share this. And I thought that we're gonna use question is.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. But this is exactly the the list of questions, right when when it's.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Understand? Until this is probably okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, I'll give the owner the 1st one, not the second one. Right, Tony.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): that's a second link
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): tight.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Hmm, hmm.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Huh!
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, you do.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay. Man.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I'm in.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I mean too.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay, if you scroll down
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and
Pawel Pawlak: On that point right? You can.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Hello. Thanks.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): That.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. And then owner audio wide.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oh, I don't have that button, I hear. Okay.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So now if you scroll down.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): you'll see that. Now. Scroll left and right.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): you'll see that a bunch of them are
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): yellow. Those are own App wides.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): And then there's.
Pawel Pawlak: So they should concentrate on the white one. Right white ones, white ones right.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, they should concentrate on the ones that are not yellow.
Pawel Pawlak: You're not yellow. Yeah, okay.
Pawel Pawlak: And if they would have some questions we could invite them to to second meeting right to address those questions.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Pull up.
Pawel Pawlak: Indianapolis. Right? I mean, would you be available? Yeah, okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So I I'm going to send this one to Paul's team in Alexen, and then
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): let them go through this list. And this is little different from previously
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): done this way.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Like, I ask them to contact one Cps team to follow their steps.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It's same. It's the presentation right? The other one was a 5 year maturity assessment that we created.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Pawel Pawlak: They could be interested in in following it right as a as a next step.
Pawel Pawlak: probably right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, or.
Pawel Pawlak: In fact, this would. This was one of the of the requirements. Or you know, we with this on purpose? Right?
Pawel Pawlak: We're okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, we're gonna I'm gonna send this one, too. Okay? So.
Pawel Pawlak: Iran.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Just focus on the white title. White columns.
Pawel Pawlak: Not yellow. Right? Not yellow.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. Probably. My phones. Okay.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, click.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Funny.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you, Tony.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So, Yup, you're welcome.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Hey, Paul, before you move from the screen, can you scroll up right at the top.
Pawel Pawlak: Sure
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They were okay. So right here on our platform level requirements, right?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 70% of the project, 95% of the passing.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): There's
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): initiative that I floated with, and we have it on our agenda. Item is elephant quality goals.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So it not getting a lot of traction. So I put it back on agenda
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): for July 10th meeting. Made Amy aware of it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): There'll be 2 topics. One is the the security recommendation Amy and I made to tag.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then the quality goals.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So one other proposal now is.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): why don't we take it back to Tscs? And Tony's done an awesome job, both on majority assessment
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and the gold batching right?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): These are 2 mechanisms that we can may maybe use at the project level at the Tsc level
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and create the goals. Right? So if you read this statements right, it says.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 95% passing.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's what I wanted to come down to. But at the tech
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): don't think anybody want to put their name
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): on making a recommendation that a volunteer community won't follow.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I think our best bet would be for security and quality goals.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We take the own app example, bring these tools
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and do a sort of a showcase to tack and say, Hey, this can be done. It can be done in project level.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and if we all agree, then we can go back to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): project graduation criteria at Lfn
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and make that as a goal statement that you can only be a graduate project if you do these, these, these things, and you also achieve goal badge and so forth.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So that's kind of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): where I'm going now with the security and quality goals. So it may come back
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to own app being
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the 1st one to declare that our graduated project to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): such and such thing 100% of the time
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we have less than you know, so many percent of outstanding vulnerability and so forth.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So just fyi I think the work that we did for
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): this this tool that Tony did
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the work that we did, creating
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): maturity, assessment, questionnaire.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): all that can lead to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): creating, maybe a universal template for Lfn, that other projects can use.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, we kind of
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): pioneered a lot of things.
Maggie Cogdell: Oh, gosh!
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): 5 6 years ago.
Maggie Cogdell: Who.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, I think it's good work. I think it's just
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): trying to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): socialize with other community members
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and giving them
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): incentive to adopt.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's that's the work that I think is
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): difficult, because, as is between our day jobs
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the own app, or wherever we work.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): there's not enough time left that we go beyond our own project and try to socialize this work with us.
Maggie Cogdell: Others.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Other than just bringing it on Dntf.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and that interaction is not long enough for people to retain in their memory.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I'm finding
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): continuous
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): coaching
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to get people started. Once they start, I think they they can run with it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so I might reach out to you, Tony.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you're free. There's a tech call on July 10.th
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Amy now will join
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you want feel free to join. I think that's my current
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): strategy and proposal to tack is going to be.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): hey? Let's use what own app did it's big enough. Project
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): enough. Diversification of people, ptls, Tsc, and so forth.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And this. This is how we're gonna prove that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you can start measuring
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the progress you can set goals. And if that's possible, across all projects in Lfn, then there's no reason why Lfn. Can't say
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): these are our goals, and if you want to join elephant for sandbox.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you must do these things and prove it by these measures
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and for every other successive
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): designation.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and we expect that a graduated project
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): is mature enough, secure enough for people to actually use the software.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's it back to you, Paul. Thank you for listening in. I think I'll need some support on different levels.
Pawel Pawlak: That's right.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Send me an invite to that meeting, and I'll
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): add it to my calendar.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Will do. Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you, Tony.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Although I
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I invited the Ramesh which is Pto policy team so next Tuesday meeting. So if you'll prepare, and from this side and any question, maybe he can use that time to for QA.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, we can use the 1st slot
Pawel Pawlak: during the meeting just to give those this opportunity to ask questions.
Pawel Pawlak: And so, yeah, we would we would provide the support.
Pawel Pawlak: yeah, definitely
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I I forwarded the link, anyway. So, but they have a question, because it's so different from last time. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And this one.
Pawel Pawlak: Why you say it's different.
Pawel Pawlak: I think, is this, I mean, the the criteria are are the same.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I same yes, same.
Pawel Pawlak: I I think it's just Si. We simplify the the life of the Pts because.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And.
Pawel Pawlak: The part of which is common for onup
Pawel Pawlak: could be managed by Tony. Right
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: So they can. They? They can focus on the, on on the ice aspects that are really, you know, their project dependent right?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So let's have a meeting next, only next Tuesday. Then for Q. And a.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And the other one moving on to other
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Edison policy team. They presented the opera, and how they remove the apparent removal in the cold beds. You put the same place so Tsc. Last week, and then they are preparing for documentation, and then, once it's done, it can be shared with the other Pts for following the all parent removal. Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: okay, good. Good. Very good. Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't think we have something to add.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, no, no.
Pawel Pawlak: For now for the on app in the future.
Pawel Pawlak: if you consider. Okay the
Pawel Pawlak: Ptl. Meeting. Oh, I forgot to update it. So
Pawel Pawlak: I think the the we had a good discussion and update coming from Eric.
Pawel Pawlak: Who has already some exchanges with Lfit.
Pawel Pawlak: So I hope that this could be, you know, the alternative that is considered could solve the issue that he raised
Pawel Pawlak: and we shared. I will review the the the item that tone raised, and Kevin mentioned that this was, let's say, some
Pawel Pawlak: error, but more informative error, and
Pawel Pawlak: should not.
Pawel Pawlak: as of today, should not, block the the code merge. So I don't know, Tony, if you had a chance to
Pawel Pawlak: to check if this code you wanted to merge was successfully merged.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm sorry. Say that again.
Pawel Pawlak: What I understood from from Kevin Kevin's explanation.
Pawel Pawlak: is that
Pawel Pawlak: The the the error message that was that was sent
Pawel Pawlak: when you were trying to merge. The code was.
Pawel Pawlak: let's say, informative, and
Pawel Pawlak: as of today, this code should be should be matched
Pawel Pawlak: without an.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): It will.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, I will
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): do another recheck and.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): See if
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): and if it were.
Pawel Pawlak: Because then you can update the ticket. Okay, it works. If it doesn't, you can update that, it doesn't. And then we can have some further check with
Pawel Pawlak: with Kevin or Jessica on Thursday. If you want.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Kirk.
Pawel Pawlak: okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Elephant Park. Yes.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Second.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): the Pto update. I forgot.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, yep.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So Mochio state. So that's the we. We tried to change this one. What is the Motio State project? If you click the link.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): It was originally built by Kenny Paul, 2,020,
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and based on Tsc. 2 dot presentation. I am changing this this a little bit because can you go back to previous one? This is the original list. Can you put that 2020? But many of the project deprecated. According to Tsc, 2 the definition, the mature project must be fully active, fully functioning. But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Vfc is retired, and then also Sso. Some of the se alignment component is not working, a modeling project is retired, so we try to leave that, evaluate the mature state. So if you scroll down, that's looking at the the 2024.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So cps is we already? The several weeks ago T. Dsc. Resortified the cps as a mature, and then with the gold badge and policy team is working for gold badging now
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and then some of the other. The component the archive. We're gonna record that way. That's the difference. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and also once the mature
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): state is achieved for the core component, I think the next level of the maturity state is core.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): which is exposed that the only component to the external operators. So that's probably cps and policy and other component. After we review this the State again
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and then make sure they are fully functioning and active. Then maybe we can the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): A Sufo core.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): That's that's the current discussion happening
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): here.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay, do we have it documented? The process of, you know.
Pawel Pawlak: moving from one stage to the other.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. Tsc, 2.0 the document. But there's a procedure.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Good. If you want, I can put the link to after meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: Maybe it would be good to give a link somewhere somewhere here around this table. So
Pawel Pawlak: you know, the state change of description
Pawel Pawlak: is available here, so each project could
Pawel Pawlak: take a look right? And.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. Ts, 2.0 document is to define everything then, including this. So anyway, our link, I put the link in this the page. The top.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you. Bill. Good good work. Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Building
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Kings.
Pawel Pawlak: Moving forward. Elephant. Tac, any any updates from the
Pawel Pawlak: latest meeting, or we wait for the one on the 10.th
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So the latest was
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know. We signed up this agenda in the previous one.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They went over Cnti.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Cnti was approved
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): as a project. Go ahead.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They also discussed
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): updating the documentation for candidate projects.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): This is a category where.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): when external
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): technical groups reach out to Lfn
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to show interest.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but they're
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): their need.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): some hand holding. And initially
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so the candidate project goes to Linux Foundation, Linux Foundation provides initial introduction what they can do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and start their paperwork
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): for
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and induction into Linux Foundation.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): while they'll talk to different
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): sub foundation, like elephant or Lfn.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Once they decide
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that they have what it takes to go as a
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): minimum sandbox
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or incubation, or, you know, maturity level, other maturity level. Then they go directly to elephant.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so that part of the process was missing. There's a project called Paraglider, right now, parked in Linux Foundation as a candidate project
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and likelihood is they're gonna go to Lfn.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So that was a discussion on
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): previous call. How did we don't have a process to handle it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Now we updated the process for candidate projects.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and I think the next meeting they might have somebody from Paraglider come in
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and present some information for Fyi. They have not put a proposal to join elephant yet.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you, Mugasar.
Pawel Pawlak: Per.
Pawel Pawlak: So we already
Pawel Pawlak: cover it. Probably the technical dip right?
Pawel Pawlak: partially in the discussion. What you said, Tony, could be involved right?
Pawel Pawlak: And the quality of the of the of the projects under the fan.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. Cm, scans and G. Portal already discussed.
Pawel Pawlak: for the Tsc. Meeting that was had last week. I could not join because I was
Pawel Pawlak: at the conference.
Pawel Pawlak: so beyond anything
Pawel Pawlak: worth to mention. Apart from
Pawel Pawlak: what you mentioned about this operant removal.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, did they present or Para removal? And also the talk about the mature project, we gonna change. So that's the main
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): topic. Let me go there. Yeah, that was the main topic.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think nothing else is Tony.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Activity about motor state and the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Kevin? The you know, Merrick, and talk talking about the pending Nfid that you already mentioned. Yeah, that's about it. And then, yeah, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Alright. Anything else that we could cover today. Guys.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): One question. Do you plan to anybody plan to to attend the Open source summit in Europe? Vienna, September
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): 16, through 18 set something like that.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, I didn't know it's coming.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I can send the link. If you want to.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, please yes, please share.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. So there are several. I plan to go there.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Vienna, not not the sausage sausage, but there are several security. I think security, related Linux security and Sbomb, generation and Espix, and so
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): other than some? Not at all, you know security, but the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): interesting, though some of them, some of them is interesting. So I tried to.
Pawel Pawlak: Able to submit some proposals still, for for the.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think he's late late. Edison tried to submit, but they didn't take it.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, yeah. His agenda is already here. So he's.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): That would that would check. Yeah, that would check. Yes, I didn't. Guys. At least, that's probably not too late.
Pawel Pawlak: E.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): We. We did it. We did it, but not not they. Take it.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, very good to know. Thank you for sharing view. So
Pawel Pawlak: yeah, I think it's worth to
Pawel Pawlak: take a look at. What's what is planned, to be
Pawel Pawlak: sure. Oh, you see some some.
Pawel Pawlak: Trishan, and Jill will be presenting together, interesting
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): What? Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: He's the.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I plan to go, so we'll see.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, maybe you can have a dinner there.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah. Let's see.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Let's say we'll see.
Pawel Pawlak: No very, very huge agenda, very rich agenda, very nice.
Maggie Cogdell: And sir, so.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Separate the the pre registration for Linux Security Summit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): you know, just a separate one.
Maggie Cogdell: Painting.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): If we scroll all the way up, then there is some. Not only this, but
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think they charge 795 something now
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and put. But the yeah, the 3rd number 3, Phoenix Security Summit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): This is separate, they said. But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): 149. So
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): we'll see.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: interesting. Okay, thank you for sharing.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But Kit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): no problem.
Pawel Pawlak: Alright. So anything else that we could cover today guys.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's it for me. Thank you.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, so thank you very much.
Pawel Pawlak: Have a wonderful rest of today and talk to you next week. We invite policy team for for if they would have any questions we good time to to ask, and we could plan some, maybe activities around.
Pawel Pawlak: get into the gold batch right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Next week. Yeah. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. Take care, guys, I stop the meeting. I mean, don't stop the recording because it's automatic. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Take care!
Pawel Pawlak: May.
Maggie Cogdell: Bye.