Pawel Pawlak: Hello! Good morning to you.
Pawel Pawlak: To what?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Good morning. Paabo! Hi.
Pawel Pawlak: Good morning, Maggie. How are you?
Pawel Pawlak: Alright?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You! Maggie.
Maggie Cogdell: Good morning.
Maggie Cogdell: Doing well.
Maggie Cogdell: Hello.
Maggie Cogdell: I hope.
Pawel Pawlak: Hope you had guys good time spent for the 4th of July.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, I
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I did off last week most of the week.
Maggie Cogdell: That's nice.
Pawel Pawlak: Where you can't.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): After second I took off.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you for.
Maggie Cogdell: I should be like.
Pawel Pawlak: Be reverse view
Pawel Pawlak: and sorry I could not join yesterday's call. I, as I drop you I was driving a car, so I.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Sure, no problem.
Pawel Pawlak: Figure out. It's, you know, safer to drive and not to speak, you know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Right, right.
Pawel Pawlak: If you drive a highway, then, yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. Good.
Pawel Pawlak: Almost all day in the car. So
Pawel Pawlak: pretty, pretty painful, and you know Polish roads are not like us highways.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oh, really, I've never been there.
Pawel Pawlak: you know. Style of driving surprise is my
Pawel Pawlak: surprises me of, you know Polish drivers.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Fight it.
Pawel Pawlak: Really sometimes getting me crazy.
Pawel Pawlak: Alright. Let me share the screen for today with some agenda.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, thank you, being made some adjustments. Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: so I don't think we have that many topics, but I think especially as we are at the beginning of Oslo.
Pawel Pawlak: It's a good time to
Pawel Pawlak: to spend some time on on specific.
Pawel Pawlak: That's a iterative recursive tasks.
Pawel Pawlak: So
Pawel Pawlak: I think we have, let's say, ongoing process for Ramesh and policy team right? We had a meeting with Ramesh last week
Pawel Pawlak: amy shared some
Pawel Pawlak: some feedback about the Vulnerability reports. So 1st of all, we have the for the packages, upgrades.
Pawel Pawlak: We have the the link
Pawel Pawlak: with the
Pawel Pawlak: proposed upgrades
Pawel Pawlak: already available at the Wiki.
Pawel Pawlak: We discussed with Amy last Friday. That it would be good to take a look. What? What's going on for the summer cloud? And she made some effort to
Pawel Pawlak: to take a look at it. There are some variations in in the dates for those for those projects
Pawel Pawlak: me.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And the email, right?
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, yes, this is extraction, for of the information that she shared
Pawel Pawlak: so probably we need to maybe spend some time
Pawel Pawlak: with
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know. Lfit, maybe. Yes, because okay, for me.
Pawel Pawlak: if the project is deprecated right? So, and we remove this project from the Clm. Drinking jobs for next to Saqq. We can remove it for for Sonar Cloud Way as well. Right.
Pawel Pawlak: Same exercise.
Pawel Pawlak: same type of exercise. You want to free, free, free up some resources.
Pawel Pawlak: And for me, it's perfectly makes sense to do the exactly the same
Pawel Pawlak: and sure
Pawel Pawlak: here
Pawel Pawlak: on the I mean.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'm sorry. Go ahead! Go ahead!
Pawel Pawlak: Just a 1 remark so probably it would be good to to share this list with the Tsc. For the approval.
Pawel Pawlak: But I think we could propose, as we did last time, with the.
Pawel Pawlak: with the drinking jobs for the
Pawel Pawlak: nexus IQ.
Pawel Pawlak: To to free free up some resources here.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'm trying to say just Stoner Stoner Cloud report. Everything else is fine except Msp, so better than Crm.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Job.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, the Msp, but we it's good to we make sure all the deprecated one. We don't have a Solar Cloud port.
Pawel Pawlak: So Msb, you you would keep it right?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, no, no, he's gone.
Pawel Pawlak: He's got.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, sure shouldn't be muted.
Pawel Pawlak: We can remove. Okay, let me let me make some additions on the fly. Right? So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah, sure.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): this. Only.
Pawel Pawlak: Be to be removed, right to be.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Have to be moved.
Pawel Pawlak: Removed. Okay?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oh, yeah, all other places. We need more. Msp, but this, this report.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Bring it so.
Pawel Pawlak: The map still should remain.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): The map where Emma is gone.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so I'm not sure how they separate. Team App is gone already.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Dia is supposed to remove in Oslo, so after Oslo, the map should be gone.
Pawel Pawlak: So can we say.
Pawel Pawlak: not out, not out.
Pawel Pawlak: Change right to.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I see.
Pawel Pawlak: And in brackets. Maybe I will give that Mr.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You can. You can do. Emma removed.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and then DR. To remove open audit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Am. I should be removed to be removed.
Pawel Pawlak: Can you hear me, guys.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes. Can you hear us?
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, I'm sorry somebody tried to call me. I think this is some marketing call. So I don't know.
Pawel Pawlak: Spend time. That is not now, okay, so can I go.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Now you can do Emma to be removed.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: yeah, yeah, this was this was my idea. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Pawel Pawlak: anything else here
Pawel Pawlak: requires some adjustment, okay.
Pawel Pawlak: so maybe we could have some chat
Pawel Pawlak: tomorrow with with Sandra.
Pawel Pawlak: and to propose
Pawel Pawlak: this small modifications
Pawel Pawlak: for the Tsc. Meeting on Thursday, and have some approval from Tsc. To do the
Pawel Pawlak: similar to clean, clean up.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Probably one just quick. The policy for gold batch.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think, though. Sandra collected the as she's going to edit the editors remember the we had the issue. So she's going, you know the Ramesh send the new list.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and then Sandra
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): gonna do it and accept it ideally
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and ideally. Just send her id to so just sent to Sandra. So I expect the Sandra to finish the the editor of the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): policy page. Then that means after that, the they can
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): or further for the badging process.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, for information.
Pawel Pawlak: So I will put maybe that list of people. Oh, sorry. Let me type
Pawel Pawlak: and to be policy page editors
Pawel Pawlak: in.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And walking for.
Pawel Pawlak: And the badging. Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: work in progress right?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, yes.
Pawel Pawlak: We can update it, maybe next week or the week after.
Pawel Pawlak: Once we have it completed. Right for for this team.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay, good.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: A,
Pawel Pawlak: we have next topic about this
Pawel Pawlak: most critical open source projects, not using memory safe code. I don't know if you had the chance to
Pawel Pawlak: to go deeper into the details of this report.
Pawel Pawlak: I know Amy today will not be able to to join because of some conflict. I don't see Tony as well. Maybe we can
Pawel Pawlak: target the discussion
Pawel Pawlak: once we are all together.
Pawel Pawlak: if it requires some additional discussion, right? Because maybe okay, we should just read it and and accept it. What we can do right?
Pawel Pawlak: or or we can propose some actions
Pawel Pawlak: for enough community us, or, if I remember correctly, okay, we could have some, maybe discussions discussion on the on the governance level.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, as a Linux foundation networking
Pawel Pawlak: projects. They should maybe try to avoid certain languages, or, you know, just to have this like a high level message
Pawel Pawlak: and give some reference to the source. Right? Okay, there is some source that
Pawel Pawlak: that indicates that. Okay, this is, this is good. This is bad. This is yeah. Behind whatever.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. And we just briefly discuss this one last week. But I think we'll need to discuss more deeper.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'm not sure, though. You know, we are using mighty dv server in own app it has a lot of
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'm looking at. The table is 81 save you know the and also.
Pawel Pawlak: It's.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then progress 57. And then, you know, there are several dependents. I think most of the language in on it. We are using
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Java and go python, but that's relatively safe. But they're still not 100%.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So I don't know we we and we have to discuss about the what to do.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So, Powell, I suggested, there are 2 action items. Right? One is for set common own app, which is localized.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Other aspect was.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we have open. Ssf, I think Tony is part of the member.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we could do 2 actions simultaneously. One is, bring that up to open Ssf. And they can add something to their guidelines.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Here.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then locally for own app.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We could. Do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know, whatever due diligence we need to do to 1st get a good assessment. You know
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): how much of an impact we have on onap.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And as part of the architectural community
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we should be doing review and see if
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): opportunity arise
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to move off of those languages.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yep.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): correct.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think that you mentioned that to Tony last week. Right, Modesta. He's the openness of Tsc, so we we already inform. Yeah. So I hope the we can. Yeah. Good. Good suggestion.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. So yeah, so let's check
Pawel Pawlak: Next time when Tommy Tony is with us, right? If he has a chance to to discuss and and try to.
Pawel Pawlak: you know. Maybe I haven't.
Pawel Pawlak: you know, written it down, and then it's easier to to to to have a reference for further actions right
Pawel Pawlak: just to to simplify it. Somehow.
Pawel Pawlak: Jeff.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): What.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We we could have those actions right? So there were a lot of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): preventive mitigation or band aids mentioned in the report.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and I think, for a short period of time some of those could be
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): A short term fix is before language. Can you know that the capability can be moved off or migrated to different language.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Modesta. I plan to talk about this to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Andress tomorrow tomorrow at OM. Meeting about this. So I'm gonna share this, I I think I need to share this document.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then I tried to talk to him. And this is the one recommendation. What to do. We, gonna you know. Then I'm gonna forward you a suggestion. Open Ssf, and then also on it. We should do
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): impact assessment. So let me hear from Deutschel comes in, but
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): because he's they tried to deploy on it to their production environments. So I think
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I guess they're interested in this one, too.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, so please.
Pawel Pawlak: Sher.
Pawel Pawlak: spread the the the, the words right? Viewing. And yeah. And we let's try to
Pawel Pawlak: to target those 2.
Pawel Pawlak: Open Ssf on one site and locally
Pawel Pawlak: for an afternoon.
Maggie Cogdell: Other stuff. Right? Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then tomorrow I'll let Sandra add this agenda to Tsc.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Just discussion, just like.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: it's important to make everyone aware about some
Pawel Pawlak: source of of information, right? And then.
Pawel Pawlak: obviously, each organization can, you know, either ignore it or.
Maggie Cogdell: Accepted.
Pawel Pawlak: Or do some actions right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): My mother.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you. I don't think we have any update for disable secow.
Pawel Pawlak: And we discuss already those links.
Pawel Pawlak: And again, thank you, Mozart, for sharing.
Pawel Pawlak: He's bamorama.
Pawel Pawlak: I share with you the link right? So if you want to register, do so.
Pawel Pawlak: Packages, upgrades for New Delhi, I think this one
Pawel Pawlak: earth
Pawel Pawlak: could be deleted, but on the on the other hand, there there were still some. I think Andreas was to to check something, but he was pretty busy
Pawel Pawlak: after he's returned from holidays, so I'm not sure if he
Pawel Pawlak: minutes to do so. So let me try to to check with him.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm, login modification. Proposal. Okay? Yes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Just a lot of suggestions. Some of the stuff that's already done discussed
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): can strike them out. Use the strike out font.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Here.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So it can
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): kind of only keep, I think, for historical.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): The purpose is good to keep some of this stuff.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but, on the other hand, if the item is completely done right? So historically, we keep every week's notes.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: or.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I would say,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If there is an incomplete item.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): then we can just strike out the portion that's already completed.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Don't.
Pawel Pawlak: Breakout means remove right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): No meaning like you could do.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Strike out font.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but there's a font where you put a line through it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So if you look it up on the font.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): One of them is going to be striked out.
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah, there it is, the little, a.
Pawel Pawlak: There's a.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That one.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Nope, yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): see, there's there is a striked out in here.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I can't read polish, but.
Maggie Cogdell: Aye, booth.
Pawel Pawlak: One is like.
Pawel Pawlak: I'm not sure if if it's any of those.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. Strikeout is there?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Out.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Right now strikeout is selected right? So if you select an item or a row.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Click on the font. Yeah.
Maggie Cogdell: Test it.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Contact. Yeah, and then go to that. And then, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: It will be like this. Right? Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. Sure.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, yeah. I was thinking about removing it completely. But yeah, for historical reason, maybe it's good to.
Pawel Pawlak: If if it's.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If there's a remaining item, that portion because some of our notes down there.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Certain topics
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): there, some remaining items or action to be taken.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But partially, a lot of the stuff has been completed like the list stuff.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the deprecated projects, for example.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. I removed them already.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, because we are, you know, repeating and repeating.
Pawel Pawlak: But I checked it is removed from the ceiling job. So
Pawel Pawlak: we don't have it anymore in our agenda.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, yeah, that's good.
Pawel Pawlak: I will, I will. I will make maybe some some housekeeping more
Pawel Pawlak: here to me.
Pawel Pawlak: Focus on the
Pawel Pawlak: items that are
Pawel Pawlak: still valid. Right?
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. Login modifications are for OS. Oslo.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'll ask her, Tata tomorrow. I ask her, Tata tomorrow.
Pawel Pawlak: Have a chat with them. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oh, at the oem day attending so.
Pawel Pawlak: We'll check.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Oh, yeah, tomorrow. So wasn't.
Pawel Pawlak: Tomorrow means 10, th right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yep.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Me!
Pawel Pawlak: Oh, Github actions
Pawel Pawlak: somewhere this year, probably end of the year.
Pawel Pawlak: Elephant A. ML.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't think there were any updates here right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, no, no.
Pawel Pawlak: Nephew anything worthy mentioned.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): looks like the cancel last week meetings, and but this week meeting to today meeting, and then they going to do Demo. As I report it.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Looks like there's no meeting notes last week, and then also they are going to talk about the orn. Zta Pdf, which is link here. It's the orn Zta.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And I think the nephew tried to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): look at the what's the deployment of that? So, anyway? So that's still going to happen today.
Pawel Pawlak: okay, okay, so yeah, maybe next week will be opportunity to share.
Pawel Pawlak: Phone up security implementation status. Okay? We moved.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, it's the same exact topic.
Pawel Pawlak: gold badge for policy.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Maybe we can remove this role because he already made.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And a tap.
Pawel Pawlak: I think, with the oh, so I would
Pawel Pawlak: make some.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know for this ambient mesh, if if there is something.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Still under consideration. I'm going to talk to so we are we looking at that? And you guys are looking at that. This one looks looks good. But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I don't know. Actually, they're gonna do in Oslo or not. So I'm gonna talk to him tomorrow. So.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: So for the Tsc meeting last Thursday, it was cancelled. So no updates from this particular way.
Pawel Pawlak: hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: on up focus for the future. Okay, maybe this is something that we already.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And we already mentioned you. Can you can, you know, Spike out, or something? So disk Delete.
Pawel Pawlak: I think I would delete this one.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Yeah. Delete, that. Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm! Yesterday I could not participate maybe beyond. Have you had the chance to to leave.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, yes, not not much crms that we deploy is is removed. It's.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, also. We discussed about the apparent removal
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): from Australia, and then Edison is preparing instruction document. And then
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): after that, they are thinking about the how to remove the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): pattern dependency from the core. On, it projects.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then, yeah, then I
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and the policy Gui. The application will be voted for
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): this Thursday
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): because we checked the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): dependency android daiso. And he said, no dependency for this. It's an easy case. So after Tsc meeting this week
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and if Tsc vote for policy, the application we can delete that. There was a discussion we we had.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and the goal bad team policy team is working. And then I mentioned.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Sandra is working the to get to give the editing
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): privilege permission to the Rameshen Adelie, and after that they can go further.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Kevin and the Matt Matt. They talk about the Python dependence specification which Thomas Kullick raised. But Thomas was not there. So they're gonna wait. We decide to wait until Thomas coming back and the Peter coming back. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And that's about it. And then we introduce the Sisa the open source memory save code to Ptr, and then, if they are interested, they can take a look into the details. And then what language they are their project is using. So we just introduced to this
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): same, the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): documentation to pt, yeah, that's about the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): somebody.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay, thank you very much. So we'll keep the one for Feta because we discussed it. It would be within the next 2 weeks. So this elephant tack, and I think that.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): No, there's a meeting tomorrow.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so I'll give update next week.
Pawel Pawlak: Next meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: July.
Pawel Pawlak: Thanks.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you. Okay. Technical left.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Just one. Go back to the previous discussion. Or by you, can we put some sort of one liner in architecture, review, template.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): sort of reminds the Ptls.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If they're building something from scratch.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): they can take a look at
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that Sisa report.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, I can add that.
Pawel Pawlak: Very good.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That way. We can chip away some, you know, repeat mistakes like not that, you know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I'll I'll add the this document to the the architecture template. Yeah. Good idea.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Thank you.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: Good point. Well, that's her. Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Or sharing.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): This one. We can talk about it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I put it back on tag agenda
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to talk about quality goals, and I give
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Amy heads up.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So there's 2 discussion. Item one is the the security proposals that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it may not put together.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We had shared with
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Tag back 2, 3 months ago.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but no action was taken.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Then I did the same thing with the the elephant quality goal.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They liked all that idea, but no action was taken.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so I put it back on the agenda because
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we're kind of this week
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): didn't have a whole lot. Other things that will take a lot of time.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I informed Amy, and she agreed that she will join.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So we're gonna do another push
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): for both of these items, for Tab to take action.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and actions were really were looking for.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Can we call it elephant wide
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): requirements?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And I think both of these are tied together. The only way to implement is that you hold off
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): a certain maturity level of a project
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): unless project meets those goals.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Whether these are security goals or quality goals. Right?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I think we're gonna present it, present it back.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and if they agree, then we'll go back and change the criteria. There is a document that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Tack wrote
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that tells what a Sandbox project needs to do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): what incubation project needs to do, what mature graduated project needs to do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to be called these projects.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): whether you're coming in as an incubation.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or you going from one level to another.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I think, with the work that Tony did with the badging dashboards. Now we have tools.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and now we, I feel that we do have a mechanism to enforce
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): adhering to quality goals.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We can put these things in
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): either, you know, through the dashboard measurements
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and in
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): project promotion, criteria requirements. If you don't meet these goals, don't call yourself graduated. Project.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So we're gonna discuss this. And if they agree.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the plan is to ask them to bless the strategy.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): change the criteria for
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): project, incubation and project promotion.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and we'll specify. But right now I don't have a metric.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): How do we differentiate between incubation and graduated project?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think we.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's something we can work on.
Pawel Pawlak: okay, thank you for sharing this ad
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Pawel Pawlak: your feet. A.
Pawel Pawlak: There is a just a reminder here about the upcoming security events right in Vienna
Pawel Pawlak: in September. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I I plan to go there.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, good good good for you.
Pawel Pawlak: And so yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: let's let's see who of us could join. And and I think I'm I'm sure that there will be very good
Pawel Pawlak: events over there.
Pawel Pawlak: or to participate. So
Pawel Pawlak: maybe we could have some review just after about topics or presentations that should be
Pawel Pawlak: discussed.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay,
Pawel Pawlak: anything else that we could address today, guys.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): No, but I I think that's last topic is very interesting.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So that's kind of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): there's that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 2 prong approach that I see people see open source.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the the vulnerability or security of the open source itself.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And people also see some of the capabilities that open source offers.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): becomes
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): sort of a gears in a security mechanism or
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): tools and security Enforcement mechanism.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I wonder by you if you had a chance to look at their
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): agenda.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And if you have some interesting topic that fall in these 2 categories.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think that might be interesting for us, because that I I always thought, and I think I've been talking about it, that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if onap can instantiate multi-domain orchestration.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): The own app can also orchestrate multi-domain security, mechanism.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm, so.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Works the same way.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Sales. Yes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think we need to kind of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): when we're building these things, whether these are automation or AI,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it's not just for one type of behavior or capability.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It could be any type.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): including security mechanisms.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, you're perfectly right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If we can learn something. What other people are thinking on that open source summit.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I don't think I'm gonna be able to go. But I'm super interested.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): How other developer? Some problem solvers are thinking
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): in both categories, right? Obviously, for what they're building.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But one building may be used to secure other. It environment.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yes.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I take it.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): keeping my mind.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Hey? That's it for me. Thank you, Paul.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you. Understand.
Pawel Pawlak: guys. Next week, are we on holidays? I mean, at least for
Pawel Pawlak: for Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): What's the holiday.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm sorry.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): What what kind of holiday? Let me think.
Pawel Pawlak: My private holiday, going for.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, I see a master message to Poland another holiday. So curious a lot.
Pawel Pawlak: No, no, no! There is the the earliest Polish holiday is mid of August. One day 50.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Homeless, so.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Sure, sure, no more.
Pawel Pawlak: Holidays, for on the horizon at least.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Trading in you as the next holiday, for at least us is, gonna be in September.
Maggie Cogdell: Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): enjoy, enjoy your heart. So.
Pawel Pawlak: So I will check with Amy if she could join if she could join, and she could lead the meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: But we have a I will think on Friday, so I will not probably know before.
Pawel Pawlak: The
Pawel Pawlak: so the question is, if we should keep our meeting for the next week, or
Pawel Pawlak: cancel it and have it the week after.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I don't mind to cancel, you know. Next week.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Alright, I'll go with you.
Maggie Cogdell: That's true. That's fine.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay? So I. So let's let's cancel for the next week. Right? And I will mark it down at at the at the bottom of the stable. Okay, next meeting is,
Pawel Pawlak: is the week after. Right? So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Sounds good.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you very much. Guys have a lovely rest of today and talk to you
Pawel Pawlak: in 2 weeks time.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, enjoy your vacation.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you, thank you. I will be cycling little bit on the seaside.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Awesome. Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Should be fine.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, this may interest you. So I took
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I made the last weekend 4 day weekend because of the Us. You know.
Pawel Pawlak: Huh!
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): One of the day Saturday took
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): a bike ride.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Baltimore to Pennsylvania on National Capital Rail Trail.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Think it's the Ncr trail. It's an old trail track. They took out the train.
Maggie Cogdell: Yeah, all the people.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): York, Pennsylvania.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Into Malta Proper's trail.
Pawel Pawlak: It's a long one, long distance or.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I was just like 2 miles one way, total.
Pawel Pawlak: Nice. Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You you did you say bike or bicycle.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Icicle.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Now by.
Maggie Cogdell: School.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I thought to you writing holiday vision.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I do that, too, but I won't mention if I only go 20 miles.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Good, good, nice.
Maggie Cogdell: Sounds nice. Wow!
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hair.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): This area has a lot of trails like when I go to my office there's a trail that goes from Columbia, Maryland.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It and connects to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Annapolis, Baltimore trail. That's another train trail.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Rats out there used to be a train that goes from Maryland's capital to Baltimore.
Maggie Cogdell: I know there was an effort to do that. Take some of those old train tracks and
Maggie Cogdell: turn them into.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Next time you come to us or East Coast.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Well, plan on riding some bike I got in this area.
Pawel Pawlak: Interesting. I didn't know that there are some options over there.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Plenty. I think this area I'm I'm sure if I lived in California I'd know more about.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And now.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We have one trail that goes from Alexandria on the Potomac River
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to Leesburg and Hamilton, actually into the mountain about 45 miles, one way.
Maggie Cogdell: Oh, wow!
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I used to be train track. They took it out and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): made it into Bike and Hyde trail.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Nice.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): About hour, 2 h. Drive in Virginia and West Virginia.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): where you can do 60
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): New Jersey, Pennsylvania. Lehigh trail that goes to New Jersey is about 20 miles long.
Maggie Cogdell: Oh, boy.
Maggie Cogdell: I bet that has some hills in there.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, it's it's a good part for
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): bike. These trail train trail is that they're pretty much flat. All you see.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 2 person grade or 3 person grade. You don't see hills.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Cause. The trains had to be.
Maggie Cogdell: Right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Able to go without slipping right.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: So there are some tunnels as well that you go, as as the you know. Train would go through some tunnel.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, there are some tunnels. Some of the trails that I did like.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): is it Jim Crow? Not Jim Crow? S. Some Olympian who used to live there. They're named after him.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Jimmy Thorp.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): up in Pennsylvania.
Maggie Cogdell: Oh, yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That trail had
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): one long tunnel.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then DC has one
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): one trail that goes through like small
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): bridge tunnel.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But yeah, there, there are
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): tunnel. So you have to bring the light, because by the time you get to the middle of it.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It's pretty dark.
Pawel Pawlak: Are those crowded trails, or.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Now. They're usually crowded near the city like when you start old Dominion Trail in Alexandria.
Pawel Pawlak: Umhm.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 3, 4 miles. 5 miles are
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): in a crowded area with 3 cities you go through.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): There are a lot of hikers and other activities going on.
Pawel Pawlak: And.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): After that it just tins out like a Ncr. Trail was busy.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But 1st mile or so.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then people spread out right? So it's it's just like the joggers. They're
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Speed is different than the biker speed. And then within bikers.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you got the guys who got
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): biking shorts
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and all that stuff on. They're going like 20 miles an hour.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then you know, people just go out for fun. They're gone 10 miles an hour, so pretty soon like it within like 1st 10 min. Seems like.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): people tin out and you get your own space.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Jessica.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Nice good activity.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We're in the area.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Okay?
Pawel Pawlak: K.
Pawel Pawlak: Who knows?
Pawel Pawlak: I hope to be there one day.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): You know.
Pawel Pawlak: Alright!
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Kind of things. Because my wife and I were both right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So we have done taking days off
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): driving couple of hours somewhere sleeping overnight, and then taking a trail.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm nice.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Bucket list. Now, is
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): this Chesapeake and Ohio trail? Sometimes they call Allegheny yeah, Trail. All that stuff.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): they said.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 100 and 80 mile long trail that goes from Pittsburgh City to Washington, DC.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Chesapeake, Ohio Canal. And then there's another canal that goes to Pittsburgh.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It's it takes about 4 days, 5 days if you do. 60 miles a day or so.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): That's all.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Pretty flat.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know you.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you're in a good chip.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): can be done in in one week if you take 4, 5 days off.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and they also have it.
Pawel Pawlak: 11.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think if you do, I you know most people.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): even leisurely bike ride.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): If you do, and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 10 miles an hour, right? So if you have 5 days off.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you don't have to go super high speed. People get tired out because they they haven't built up the stem. Now.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you go 10 miles on average speed, and you know you're only riding
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): 5 HA day, right.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Of breaks.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and it doesn't feel that's how kind of I started. I couldn't do more than 4 or 5 miles 1020 years ago and start writing. I was like, man. People do this.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and now I can do 40, 60 miles.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and I'd be beat up.
Pawel Pawlak: Umhm good since.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It's kind of he draw your stuff up based based on your fitness level. And how many breaks you do? How much
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): with intake you have.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): It's also kind of people who are able to do it. They they know how to feed themselves during the ride.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): so they bring.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, those.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Liquids, and.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Additional gels and stuff.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Good. I.
Pawel Pawlak: Some special stop stops, you know, to to to eat great fish, you know, on the seaside. So it's like.
Maggie Cogdell: Sounds good.
Pawel Pawlak: To do.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: Do I know? 5 Pm. 55 kilometers go for some very great fish that I all you know, dream all the year.
Maggie Cogdell: And for the.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): We eat this.
Pawel Pawlak: Still.
Pawel Pawlak: So I, or to go to another another place where they have
Pawel Pawlak: you know
Pawel Pawlak: Polish pierogi.
Pawel Pawlak: Dumplings, Polish dumplings with with
Pawel Pawlak: with forest forest fruits inside.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't even know the English know name of this of this fruit.
Pawel Pawlak: but they make this very local, very, very.
Maggie Cogdell: Oh!
Pawel Pawlak: Very special. So it's like I'm I know I I will not eat it for the
Pawel Pawlak: rest of the year, so it's like.
Pawel Pawlak: Today we drive. I don't know few kilometers left, and tomorrow we drive few kilometers right?
Pawel Pawlak: And we we have some places where you can eat like a king.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you very much. Guys here in 2 2 weeks time.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Take care!
Maggie Cogdell: Bye, thank you. Bye.