Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hi, Maggie! How are you?
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: I'm young.
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: I'm doing well.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Alright, great.
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: I wish
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: trip.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): no, no treat just was good last week. Good.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Hello! Good morning, Maggie. Good morning, Leon. How are you guys doing.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): How are you?
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: Morning.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, good. Good.
Pawel Pawlak: Just came back from holidays.
Pawel Pawlak: So battery is fully recharged.
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: Okay.
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: good for you.
Pawel Pawlak: Let me share the screen for today's agenda.
Pawel Pawlak: Please confirm if you can see it.
Pawel Pawlak: I made some, you know, housekeeping, clearing some items that were already, you know.
Pawel Pawlak: marked as maybe some obsolete.
Pawel Pawlak: To make this list a little bit more
Pawel Pawlak: easy to read and and go through the the items
Pawel Pawlak: as we as we speak.
Pawel Pawlak: And yeah, I hope it will be
Pawel Pawlak: much better to
Pawel Pawlak: go through
Pawel Pawlak: for the agenda items, and also.
Pawel Pawlak: you know, to add something more if if needed.
Pawel Pawlak: And I think, okay, last week we had some break some holiday break. But next meeting we could held on the 27.th So in one week, and we would keep this this pace.
Pawel Pawlak: this rhythm of the weekly meetings.
Pawel Pawlak: unless we see that there are no that many updates. So then we can obviously adapt
Pawel Pawlak: our availability and and so on. So
Pawel Pawlak: okay, let me slowly start.
Pawel Pawlak: Amy. Do you know if Tony is going to join?
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, maybe I will ask later. Sorry.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): It took them. Zoom was not cooperating with me. Now I'm.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Hear me!
Pawel Pawlak: It's, yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): No, no, not
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I don't know if Tony is joining when I contacted him he had been out sick for
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): a while, so he's still recovering.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): He might be here today. I'm not sure.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, okay, yeah. I was worried. And we discussed with Amy.
Pawel Pawlak: 2 weeks ago. That's
Pawel Pawlak: we haven't seen Johnny recently. So let's cross our fingers for for.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Don't worry.
Pawel Pawlak: And yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: Tony's coming. Hello, Tony.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Hi! Tony!
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Good morning, everyone.
Pawel Pawlak: Good morning, Tony.
Pawel Pawlak: We were missing you, you know. We were just wondering for that. You you were not joining for a few times, so
Pawel Pawlak: so.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): New friends are.
Pawel Pawlak: Maybe that you you were recovering from some sick
Pawel Pawlak: leave. And yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: is everything okay on your side.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Getting better.
Pawel Pawlak: Good to hear
Pawel Pawlak: if you if you need. I have some Polish medicine, but it's a very high alcoholic, so.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yes.
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: But but.
Pawel Pawlak: It's a good medicament, you know. Good good medicine.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Sounds good to me.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. I wish the delivery would be easier to go to send something to us, you know.
Pawel Pawlak: but you never know.
Pawel Pawlak: But if you need something. Just let me know.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Excuse me.
Pawel Pawlak: It's very rich of vitamin c right vitamin c is needed for everyone every time. So
Pawel Pawlak: alright.
Pawel Pawlak: so so we are glad, Tony, that that you, you are back back online.
Pawel Pawlak: That's great.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Appreciate that.
Pawel Pawlak: Hmm, okay. So just a last last reminder, because maybe not all of you guys were present. So
Pawel Pawlak: the license scanning by Jeff Shapiro provide us an in info that we don't have any, you know.
Pawel Pawlak: outstanding issues with intellectual property.
Pawel Pawlak: So looks really, really, really good.
Pawel Pawlak: There will be security event
Pawel Pawlak: secure, secure, open source software
Pawel Pawlak: held in Atlanta, Georgia, Us.
Pawel Pawlak: In October.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Can we go back to the.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, please,
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah. Isn't that done
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): by the build tools every
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): all this time.
Pawel Pawlak: I think it's yeah. But Jeff Shapiro is sharing some results
Pawel Pawlak: on a yearly basis.
Pawel Pawlak: And yeah,
Pawel Pawlak: we don't have any. Gpl, v, 2, VV, 3. So probably you remember, we were fighting against it.
Pawel Pawlak: Few releases back.
Pawel Pawlak: So nothing like this appearing.
Pawel Pawlak: And yeah, just just a kind of update that there were some scans shared and
Pawel Pawlak: nothing really
Pawel Pawlak: serious, or that we would have to handle, although we are not responsible for maybe for the licensing, but just to to let you know that
Pawel Pawlak: it looks good.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay? Any any questions. Okay.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. So you have a link for the schedule registration of this security event. If you are interested, please don't hesitate to
Pawel Pawlak: to check and submitted links policy roads to gold match. Yesterday at the Ptls. Call
Pawel Pawlak: ramesh confirmed that the war. The team is working on on the gold batch preparation.
Pawel Pawlak: and we we shall expect in in probably a few weeks, Ramesh joining second, and then we could review their
Pawel Pawlak: answers, and you know
Pawel Pawlak: we could move forward with with the
Pawel Pawlak: assessment of their
Pawel Pawlak: readiness for the gold batch. So.
Pawel Pawlak: Tony, we we would count on your help here
Pawel Pawlak: as you did last time for the
Pawel Pawlak: Cps project.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Pablo for information in couple of weeks, because Ramesh were on vacation for 2 weeks from
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): next week. So.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah, yeah, in in a few weeks. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I understand. But.
Pawel Pawlak: Probably not months right
Pawel Pawlak: work in progress anyway. So so Ramesh confirmed that, working on it and.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Say almost almost done so.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah. Yeah. Plans plans to join us. So
Pawel Pawlak: please stay tuned on this.
Pawel Pawlak: Tony. There is one item that I would like to confirm with you. As you remember, you open some tickets
Pawel Pawlak: right with the garrit code. And and then I had some conversation with Kevin, and he mentioned that.
Pawel Pawlak: you should not observe this kind of issues anymore, or at least it should not block you to merge the code.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know if you had a chance to to confirm it or check
Pawel Pawlak: in the meantime, if not, if you could, please
Pawel Pawlak: let us know if
Pawel Pawlak: this is still
Pawel Pawlak: valid case, or it could be closed.
Pawel Pawlak: You recall you. You had some issue with
Pawel Pawlak: in the code you got some strange, very strange message from the from Garrett. Right?
Pawel Pawlak: And I think this is the ticket number. If if I if I'm not wrong.
Pawel Pawlak: so just to just to confirm
Pawel Pawlak: with you, if this is something that we should follow up with the
Pawel Pawlak: LFIT.
Pawel Pawlak: Or maybe it's something that we can
Pawel Pawlak: close.
Pawel Pawlak: It was already.
Pawel Pawlak: maybe even few months ago, but at least for sure of several several weeks.
Pawel Pawlak: multiple weeks.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): This is one. So
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): now that build is still failing.
Pawel Pawlak: Still failing. Okay, interesting. Because Kevin said that he did some
Pawel Pawlak: get it upgrade or something, and and should it shouldn't be, it should not prevent you from, you know, merging the code.
Pawel Pawlak: And this notification for him was
Pawel Pawlak: indeed strange. But should not, you know, block you
Pawel Pawlak: if it's still the case. So if you could please update the ticket. So then I can check at the Tsc. With Kevin.
Pawel Pawlak: and that we have an update from you, and and we could try to do some follow up.
Pawel Pawlak: Would this work for you.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I will see what I can find.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: okay, for the support for Oslo release. I think we we have almost everything done.
Pawel Pawlak: encouraging encouraging
Pawel Pawlak: projects to to spend some cycles on packages, upgrades.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know, Amy, if you had the chance to
Pawel Pawlak: to to provide some update for this Java python OS database versions.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I am
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): slowly getting it done.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, that's great. So please let us know if you, when when it is done, and if you need some support from.
Pawel Pawlak: and what do you? Maybe
Pawel Pawlak: sharing the with the team? We could review it together.
Pawel Pawlak: Great yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I think the most important ones are done like the Java Python
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): stuff is done so.
Pawel Pawlak: Because I remember that I think it's Fita who provided some
Pawel Pawlak: plans for A and I
Pawel Pawlak: and and Java upgrades to version 11
Pawel Pawlak: for the support.
Pawel Pawlak: So we can expect some some activity here.
Pawel Pawlak: and he mentioned it to you even yesterday, confirmed that
Pawel Pawlak: this is something he he plans to do
Pawel Pawlak: right view. You had the same impression.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah,
Pawel Pawlak: So so, at least for for I and I. We can expect some.
Pawel Pawlak: some upgrade efforts.
Pawel Pawlak: and the.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): At the meeting. And we for now we decide to keep the multi-cloud. So
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so we need to do, yeah, yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: I didn't. I didn't put it here. So yeah, good point, yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): All right, so I'll look into multi-cloud. Then.
Pawel Pawlak: So for the logging modifications. Proposal, I think. No updates being, please confirm.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. I asked him Matthias last we're meeting, and he said he still has a plan for it and but didn't, didn't find time so, for still, you know, no update, but he will do it. During Oslo. That's the history.
Pawel Pawlak: That's good. That's good. Thank you for this update
Pawel Pawlak: for the Github Github actions integration pipeline as we discussed last time.
Pawel Pawlak: Not that much clearer
Pawel Pawlak: if it's going to happen this year, or maybe beginning of next year.
Pawel Pawlak: some some other activities.
Pawel Pawlak: You know.
Pawel Pawlak: occupying cycles of of the
Pawel Pawlak: Lfid.
Pawel Pawlak: So we need to wait in in the queue for the for the migration
Pawel Pawlak: elephant. A. IML.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know when, exactly. Do you know, beyond.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, I have no he. They supposed to give a study view and requirement early September no early August, but it's already gone. So I'm gonna ask Dongwan and Kevin tomorrow at the Kfc. Prep. Meeting when they're gonna plan for it. So I think there probably summer vacation. So he's not.
Pawel Pawlak: During.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Minneso.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay, it was, okay. Yeah, hopefully, coming back.
Pawel Pawlak: So stay tuned guys in one of the next year, since probably there will be
Pawel Pawlak: those presentations submitted by
Pawel Pawlak: China, telecom, China mobile.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know if there is any update for National Security Working group. Do you.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No, not update. They still work the workload identity. So.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. Okay. Same, please let us know if there would be.
Pawel Pawlak: And the in the update.
Pawel Pawlak: I don't know if there is something to to discuss about that.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No same same situation, Tata. He's busy for something else, so he will come back so he will update.
Pawel Pawlak: I forgot to add, update here for the Tsc meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, that's
Pawel Pawlak: as mentioned by viewing. Okay, multi-clouds. We keep it as let's say, active. Right?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, we're gonna
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so there's no team activity. But the Andreas, he wants to add, keep it for this also long, because there's some dependencies. So yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: For the Ptls meeting, I think worth to mention is that we are still waiting for a feedback from Dan.
Pawel Pawlak: And so Andreas
Pawel Pawlak: did not receive any any feedback for the email request.
Pawel Pawlak: So we hope that
Pawel Pawlak: we could plan some activities
Pawel Pawlak: for for his projects in this release. Because
Pawel Pawlak: but it's also wiki that, being prepared for the.
Pawel Pawlak: For the, you know, feature plans, and, you know, kind of key key items for the release.
Pawel Pawlak: And we are asking each Ptl. To to submit some some information.
Pawel Pawlak: So we have already some content. But obviously.
Pawel Pawlak: it is not yet fully completed. And we we discussed yesterday that that
Pawel Pawlak: we are putting some deadline
Pawel Pawlak: end of September to to provide this information.
Pawel Pawlak: So
Pawel Pawlak: you know, on a community would would know what is planned, and then we would check
Pawel Pawlak: for the deliveries at the end of the of the release. And also this is also important for us, for the marketing
Pawel Pawlak: information to be shared with other projects.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And 1 1 thing is the reason Andreas asked
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): question to Dan, because he need to. Dan needs to answer back promptly.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So because so team is waiting for dense you know, decision for the vm.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so last New Delhi, we are waiting. And then we the response, came late. So we postpone to Oslo. But anyway, Andreas he asked them to respond as soon as possible, because other team need to schedule for their check in for Oslo so, and features anyway, so.
Pawel Pawlak: I will market right and and try to
Pawel Pawlak: try to check.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: obviously, we need to understand that that might be occupied with with other projects, but
Pawel Pawlak: it would be good to
Pawel Pawlak: to know.
Pawel Pawlak: As it is, there is dependency with other projects, and we have.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So you're so under. So let me.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, sir.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Just real quick. So right now, you're waiting to find out which version of Odl Dan's going to use.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, and also what would be the impact for the you know this German compatibility?
Pawel Pawlak: right? Because
Pawel Pawlak: this is my understanding that yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: in order to
Pawel Pawlak: being, maybe, from your architectural point of view, if you could please provide.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I mean, if they he decide to, you know, drop the bill, man, and I think that he's checking some audio I mean, last time you mentioned about some internal issue. But owner perspective for now, bummin and Rfc, 80, 40, something. Yeah. So if if he dropped them. So team are going to drop the supporting program. And then they're gonna switch back to switch to Rfc, so anyway, either case then
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Andrew sent email to the I think, Ccu Emmy, I think.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Let me see if I can find Andreas's email.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'll I'll ping Dan later today if I if I know exactly what to ping him on.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm I sorry, but I still remain kind of unclear on it.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): No problem. I just I send
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): the text
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): chat. I put the dense under Andrew's email. So that's the email he sent today.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay, I'll find it. Yeah, thank you. So.
Pawel Pawlak: I mean, if you could. Please help us to to get get this info.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay. So I think I found it. It was
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): clarify under scent. I'd I'd like to clarify with you the plans for Sdnc and the Oslo release for new Delhi, you provided the new version for the beerman, Api
Pawel Pawlak: If they may sign him.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, good.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Remove the Vm. And Api in the Louise. And then so team can make decision. And Andrews will act accordingly. So that's basically, that's the email.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay, great. Okay. I see it. Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you, Amy.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah. One thing, and we Pto, we put this one for Tony. Can I inject here.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes, yes, of course.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Open. Ssf, 2 we we discussed this at the Tsc. And Pto. A couple of times, and I think that Tony and Sandra probably continue for this, I reported. Open Ssf, 2
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): own app section, and they have several.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): The deprecated projects stay there.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So I put the list. What's the duplicate list should should not be in the open Ssf tool. So I report to Sandra and travel and the Tsc.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And then I think probably you're gonna get the information through that, Sandra. If you want, I can forward this list to you.
Pawel Pawlak: Need to speak, to.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Possible that she tried to.
Pawel Pawlak: To reach you out, Tony, but if you, as you were maybe on sick leave, you did not respond right then.
Pawel Pawlak: It's just housekeeping, housekeeping kind of action. Right? But projects that are, let's say, not
Pawel Pawlak: part of the on app anymore could be also removed from the
Pawel Pawlak: from the tables. Let's say right.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, it depends which tables you're referring to, whether it's anything that we have access to.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Oh, the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So that my dashboard.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, the dashboard batching. Yes, batching the I I in the chat, I send the list.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and then the 2 owner view or 2,
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and then the project and editor in the list in the back, the dashboard, and then there are several outdated projects still short, and then the the Dmap and the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Dima basically just completed the we decided to drop it from Oslo. So that's a new one. So anyway.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So Sandra and I,
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): we're currently trying to schedule the meeting for later this week or next week.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): So.
Pawel Pawlak: Sounds. Good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): so all of these are
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): project manager lists are outdated.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): All of these are considered.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): No longer
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): right. But when you say the the list is outdated
Pawel Pawlak: No, because this they are not part of the Oslo release. Right? So, yeah.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So these are
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): so. These are all deprecated projects.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, yes, we are some of them a while ago, and some of them just deprecate Dmap for Vnf. SDK. We have those things deplicate in New Delhi.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and homes, too. So Champ is long time ago. So anyway, this is the application list, and then.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): D map is by.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Do you mean?
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): D map bus controller and and D map. Dr, okay, so this means that everything in Dmap is now been deprecated. Correct.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, yes, Emma, duplicate last last week, and Dr. So hold at the mesh weekend.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay, yeah.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): it. Would it be nice if we had information somewhere indicating.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): like in the wiki or someplace indicating when each of these became deprecated.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Is that available somewhere?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): The Sandra she needs to when Tse approved the deprecate. I think she's working on that, so probably you can get it. But but you know but yeah, I think that you can contact her
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): so tst, he should record it to win, which is, I think, that.
Pawel Pawlak: I think there is a page where.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yes, all the.
Pawel Pawlak: Tsc decisions are.
Pawel Pawlak: yeah, you know, yeah.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Well, there was. Well, it was a page that Kenny was taking care of, that.
Pawel Pawlak: Yeah.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Complicated
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): I don't.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, that's the old one.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Or
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): well.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): that was the
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): the the database of record for that information, and.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah, when? Something.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): The information needs to be recorded somewhere.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): so it can be referenced. And
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): excuse me.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I think the as a Pablo, says, Sandra, she says she's gonna collect the old duplicate project in the wiki. So you can contact. Which page she's creating new one, or she updating the what the Kevin made, so
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): can we can get it.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Thank you.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Fit.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Back to you, Pablo.
Pawel Pawlak: Sorry I was talking to mute.
Pawel Pawlak: okay. So, we move to the next point of the agenda elephant tuck. Is there anything that would be shared for today
Pawel Pawlak: from the from the previous meeting, if there was any meeting. In the meantime.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): The only thing we we discussed was
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): bringing up
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): super blueprint next month for a vote.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And Lj. Confirmed that. He's gonna have all the
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): paperwork and legal review done by then.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Don't think we have any other major thing. We didn't have a quorum.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So a lot of the stuff that was on the agenda wasn't discussed. Toward a decision.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We did. Kind of one other thing was the security quality goals. A few things few folks were on
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and we did get a feedback from Olaf.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So he had jot down some notes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I'm in the process of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): taking my notes Amy's and Tony's notes and the stuff that we produce
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): towards the dashboard.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and reconciling that with what Olaf had in mind.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's kind of one of the line item you have down in the agenda is security and quality goals.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We went over this got some other feedback. How we should go about.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): given that not many people from the community were on that meeting.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): She has just
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): sort of trifactor
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): conversation.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but my plan is that we'll go back once we get some
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): consolidation of ideas.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and have some ideas of measurement or grading on it.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We go back
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to the tech
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and let them decide what the threshold or measurements might be.
Pawel Pawlak: okay.
Pawel Pawlak: if you need to
Pawel Pawlak: have any discussion.
Pawel Pawlak: move a second.
Pawel Pawlak: Please let us know.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Course.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah, if you can help.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah. Let me just kind of consolidate. Then I'll put it somewhere where everybody can see, or at least, now that we're down to maybe 5, 6 people in this call, I'll just send you all if what a quick review.
Pawel Pawlak: yeah, yeah. Sounds good.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you. Monda, sir.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): You're welcome.
Pawel Pawlak: I
Pawel Pawlak: and update from Fita. We discussed yesterday with him. So
Pawel Pawlak: there is a ticket open for the lacking of Ng portal scan for the Ng Portal user interface
Pawel Pawlak: so Matt, is going to check check for for the update for it. And and we plan to have
Pawel Pawlak: some update
Pawel Pawlak: on the Ts Tsc. This Thursday.
Pawel Pawlak: So I hope you put
Pawel Pawlak: have some
Pawel Pawlak: so we think that this can.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So we think that the scan will finally happen. Okay, good.
Pawel Pawlak: Yes.
Pawel Pawlak: There is some problem with authentication, with Github
Pawel Pawlak: actions, or, you know, some, some.
Pawel Pawlak: some some
Pawel Pawlak: authentication, or some token. We're missing. And you know, I think Matt needs to spend some time on or archiving somebody from Lfit
Pawel Pawlak: needs to investigate. Why there was this
Pawel Pawlak: this issue, observed right.
Pawel Pawlak: That's why we don't have the report.
Pawel Pawlak: This is what what
Pawel Pawlak: was it spent yesterday?
Pawel Pawlak: So we need to, simply, you know, keep on
Pawel Pawlak: asking question, what's the status when you plan to.
Pawel Pawlak: you know, solve it? And
Pawel Pawlak: I I
Pawel Pawlak: I'm sure that. Okay, if we have the
Pawel Pawlak: the description of the problem.
Pawel Pawlak: then it's easier to
Pawel Pawlak: to do the follow up and and check with the technical support team
Pawel Pawlak: when we can fix it right? So
Pawel Pawlak: I hope that within next few weeks we could have it done, and
Pawel Pawlak: and get the the
Pawel Pawlak: report from the scan.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Right.
Pawel Pawlak: And I put it more priority, or or let's say, higher urgency for the
Pawel Pawlak: you know, nexus IQ scans I think there is another ticket for this on our cloud.
Pawel Pawlak: but as we, as we have no resources to to work on summer cloud, and there was, there were some Api issues in the past. So
Pawel Pawlak: I think it's it's better to concentrate on
Pawel Pawlak: on the nexus IQ scans and and getting the recommendations for the packages, upgrades
Pawel Pawlak: first.st And that's it. Right?
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, hmm.
Pawel Pawlak: guys, anything else that we could add for today's agenda? We still have some some time to
Pawel Pawlak: discuss or
Pawel Pawlak: update each other.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I have one. Go back on Istio.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Can we document what?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): What Trigger will decide? Going forward? With this new implementation?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And when is that Trigger expected?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Is somebody actually testing for stability and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): memory utilization? Or is it
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Some other criteria.
Pawel Pawlak: So, Biang, I think you explained.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): You know I'm about.
Pawel Pawlak: The the sidecar right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, yeah, I think the you know address, he said. He's
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): he has a plan but I don't think he actually did it so, and also he will be on vacation from next 2 weeks. So probably after that. So and
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah, he's just considering the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): sidecars.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): but not sure not sure yet. The plan he even mentioned about psyllium. But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): we'll see how we close.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Wait a minute, so explain the relationship between what is the relationship with psyllium?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So he mentioned about the the celium is the Cni Plugin, right?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So he he's talking about, you know. They provided some kind of a security. And you know, so he just considering I I can forward his page
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): if I find it. Basically, that's it in azure kind of a
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): sidecar less implementation.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Istio they already supported, and also for additional security network policy just starting celium, too. So that's the one
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): not enough detail. But he just has plans. So I say, why choose Syria? But you know no clear.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But, he said, just the idea. You know people just suggesting the idea. So that's why.
Pawel Pawlak: Please.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Unless you.
Pawel Pawlak: A wiki that you could share. You.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, I'm going to find the wiki one of the oem so then I'm gonna share. I I just put it here this page after meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Sure.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But just it was just sentence, just sentence, not okay. I'll I'll share, anyway. The page. Okay.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So so Biang, you're gonna share it on the zoom.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Where are you? Gonna share it, or put it.
Pawel Pawlak: The wiki meeting wiki right.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So this meeting.
Pawel Pawlak: I'm I'm displaying right now. Right so after meeting.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Eating. Yes, yes.
Pawel Pawlak: Update it with the link.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, so.
Pawel Pawlak: Sounds good.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Can't keep track. Of which of the tools actually let you add to chats after the meeting is over, and which don't.
Maggie Cogdell/DoD: Yeah, yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah, true.
Pawel Pawlak: That's why we are reviewing this this list. So you know.
Pawel Pawlak: and trying sometimes to update it on the fly right to.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yeah. Okay. Great.
Pawel Pawlak: You know, miss.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, Mundasar, are you happy with the? With the plan for for it? So we will have a link to Om
Pawel Pawlak: to the wiki that Andras created for this.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): No, I'm happy with the plan. I I was just kind of that one liner statement.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and there, without noting on our meeting notes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and how the decision will be made
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): kind of tends to draw either blank stare
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or long conversation every few weeks. So if we just write it down that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Andres will prototype it
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and monitor its stability and report back to us.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That way was short and sweet, and everybody knows
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): what will be the trigger for decision to go with it or not use it.
Pawel Pawlak: yeah.
Pawel Pawlak: thank you. Do.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I just sent the link for the and the Andres network options in the future. So anyway, just one sentence. But I'm I'm studying also serium. So once you study complete, I'm gonna share here, too. So.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But for now the aiming that I put the link there. But just one sentence on corner level, using Evpf by clim.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): So.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So the problem there
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): is that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): when we were using service mesh, right? It wasn't just the network isolation.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): right? We were also doing policy enforcement.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And we were able to do it at application layer right? Not just at the network layer.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I understand.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Still, I'm supporting the layer 4 and layer 7 so.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and also I think that he's thinking of a combination the communication encryption can be done, and also you know, he said, ingress level, which is.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Right, right.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Higher level and on service mesh, level and service mesh level, and within that they put
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): is possibly still on ambient mode and on corner level. He's suggesting using Evp of via cerium. But he's still, you know, starting on this. So once the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): I think he is is going to report that also, I'm going to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): study what? What's the combination of the cerium and the steel
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): and yeah,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I I would suggest, if we create a table.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the property desired from the solution.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and then list our options. Right here we stay with the steel.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you know, which properties
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): are provided by Steo.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And where do we implement? So it will be a matrix, maybe
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the properties on the rows and the solutions on the columns, whether it's sto ambient, psyllium, tarragon, or something. Yeah, yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): We, we I. We plan to do it. And the Istio, as you know, the ambient mode they're using Ebp. F 2. So.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Yeah.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): We? We will. And then they have option. You know, network layer for protection only, and area 7 protection additionally, they can have choice. So before that, we have no choice, just you know, supporting up to R. 7. But now.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): even Sto, they say, we, you know, user can choose. You wanna stay at all 4, or, you know, stay up to under 7. So anyway, we're gonna plan to our study and we're gonna creating some kind of Wiki page, and including some kind of comparison and chart table. Yeah, that's the plan. But
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): yeah.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Or would you throw
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): workload identity in there? That's been sort of also coming.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): That's another one. I think they.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Sure.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): The information from a nephew. So you know, nephew, they are studying on the workload identity using Speaker. But anyway, that Wiki page I I am, I'm thinking, is working with Andres. We try to creating some kind of a landscape. So yeah, we'll see.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I the reason why I brought it up by you not to make thing complex.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But you would be identifying in the Cnf environment.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Each workload
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to make the policy for
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Sdo or Ambien or Xilium right.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So the identity itself will come into picture. Whether it's the identity is coming from the hash, from Kubernetes workloads.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or you use whimsy or a spiffy type of mechanism.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They should be sort of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): seen, maybe not as an integral.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But when you're doing the studies of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to ambient
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and cerium and Istio
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): maybe just throw in where does the identity come from? Right? So right now identity will come from the Kubernetes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But could there be something else in the future.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Yeah. So that discussed the nephew to
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): But we see now the for our 4 and nephew. They focus on the worker identity only. But after that we're gonna add the the
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): the wider in the scope. And the you know, connection between the user identity and some additional. So, yeah, yeah, noted. Okay, thank you.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Cause. That's I think that's the same thing that Oran is doing, too. There, there's a proposal in alliance
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): to use workload identity.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and it only goes as far as creating one
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and generating the certificate
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): for Mtls. It doesn't go.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And an overall picture.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Now, what is Samo going going to do with identity.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So 2 network function can use the identity use their credentials to identify each other
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): then exchange information with it, using the certificate in encryption mechanism, but
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it doesn't go beyond. And I think
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): maybe their goal was.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): get get it in and get started, and then they can figure out Smoke and O cloud interactions and further uses of identity.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Maybe that's why they didn't go that far.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But if we have an opportunity to review
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): as we're doing, you know, couple of folks are interested in doing the review of these different capabilities.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): We should see holistically,
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): once we have these implemented.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): where is information available how it's going to be used either for orchestration purposes or security purposes to create policies.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and that can be enforced by the capability we're trying to bring it in.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Good idea.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay?
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): And and 1 1 thing, speaking of the Osc. I know there is Osc. Aiml. Framework projects. I don't know.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Amy, do you have any insight or.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I I can talk to some people internally. But yes, I'm aware of that.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm much more familiar with what's going on with within the Iran Alliance.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Okay. Okay.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): And so you know, a lot of the stuff we're talking about here, I think modus are.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): That's it is being covered in
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Work Group 11, which is the
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): which is security work group and
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): we've got. You know, these are issues that we're looking at is, how do you. How do you
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): authenticate? How do you
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): authorize?
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Because they're 2 very different things?
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): practically speaking, how is how is identity management? Dot performed because I don't think any operator wants to rebuild an identity, build yet another identity management platform.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): We all have too many. So expecting another one to pay for an Oran is
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'll I'll be. I'll be frank. It is
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): 1st off. It's going to be delivered by vendors who don't have a history of providing identity and access management.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Secondly, it will require a tremendous amount of work on the part of the operators. It it drives up the cost of adopting an implementation
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): if you can. If you can integrate via Ldap or something else, with an existing identity and access management system
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): that makes it feasible, building another one isn't.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): and and I don't. Wanna I don't. Wanna yeah. But Spiffy is fine. Spiffy is very run time oriented.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm talking about. How do I manage? How do I manage? X. How do I? How do I know that this Nf. Should talk to that? Nf.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So that's that's where I I guess they didn't go that far right?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the way I read those Rakiton proposal there was 2 proposals out there.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Basically.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): the spiffy itself allows you to use your existing.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Exactly.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Right. So
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): if you want to do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): your existing identity provider, or you want to use your existing. Ca, right, both of these possibilities are configurable.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and we did some on on some project in within mitre we did evaluate that aspect, so
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): it is integratable without causing more pain.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Right? Okay, great thanks for that clarification. I just, you know.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): On like, what do you use it for? Right? So neither identity provider, right? Like, if you have
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): azure ad or anything else
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you're gonna create resources whenever the container comes up or work.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Yes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Job
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): that's gonna happen on its sound when it registers, or you know.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you give it up certificate.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): That's when it gets an identity.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): But that's not an indication where it's going to be used. It's almost like
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): you're going to produce bunch of Legos.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Somebody needs to know what they're building.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): and they need to have a policy that says, in order to build
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): this character, I need red, yellow, and green legos.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Those are the workloads right.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): So.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Usually happens in the snow.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): or to some extent a rick may be aware, after snow has done it.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Or or potentially the oak cloud.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Well, O cloud is not gonna know app.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): This, the the lines are blurring.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'll be honest.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): I'm not sure I'm I'm not sure I love that. But there's a lot of stuff that happens with orchestration and the
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): in the O. Cloud. If it's a Kubernetes based orchestration.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): No, that could happen right? So then the smell capability will be overlaid on the whole cloud, like we're doing with. Yes.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): right so, nephew, our own app can do this stuff.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They can manage our cloud, and they can
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): behave like a smell right? The smell itself is not a, you know, stand alone.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Software. It's just a properties of
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): some qualities you need to have for monitoring and orchestration.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So you could have that in O cloud itself. But the way O cloud is laid out it's gonna do
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): anything that's not ran, but it provides compute resources, networking resources, etc.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): So I think that's kind of where
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): we should be sort of looking into the future if identity is created.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Would that identity come through some messages through O cloud.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): can that be delivered through O, 2 messages to Smo?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And then would snow have a data element
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): somewhere to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): store the identity and then build the policies. So that kind of that's where I was with the this identity process that
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): don't just use it for
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Json token, or X 5 or 9
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): make use of it holistically in your
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): policy, development and policy enforcement mechanism.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): Okay.
Amy Zwarico (AT&T Services, Inc.): thanks for the that. That's that was really helpful to me.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): I think that was the same case when we were looking at
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): sediment was that sediment? Now?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): One of the other open source projects that we incubated into super blueprint.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): They had a enforcement solution and a policy engine.
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): but they didn't do a good job
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): taking it back to overall enterprise level tools like, if you have enterprise
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): Directory for resources and user, how do you integrate with that?
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): And I think if we don't think holistically tying it back to
Muddasar Ahmed (MITRE): enterprise, tool or service provider tools. Some of these solutions by not going to have a lot of adoption.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay, thank you for this clarification and explanation.
Pawel Pawlak: What's that?
Pawel Pawlak: Any other topics that we could address today.
Pawel Pawlak: or something? Maybe for the next week. Agenda.
Pawel Pawlak: Okay? Hearing none. I give you back 15 min to your agenda
Pawel Pawlak: and hear you next week. Same time.
Pawel Pawlak: Thank you, guys.
Byung-Woo Jun (Ericsson Software Technology): Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye, bye.
Tony Hansen (AT&T Services, Inc.): Oh, yeah.