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06:11:50 From Mazin Gilbert : Hi
06:12:55 From Yang Xu to All Panelists : No, that’s different one
06:13:04 From Yang Xu to All Panelists : another Yang Xu :)
06:15:36 From Steve Terrill : Hi Mazin.
06:27:08 From Steve Terrill : I think that we should capture in a future update of the architecture the difference/relation between MSB and DMAAP to have guidenance on when to use each and dependancies.
06:29:19 From Parviz Yegani p00383288 to All Panelists : Good point Steve. Agreed!
06:35:05 From Jessie Jewitt to All Panelists : I'm here for modeling...
06:48:42 From Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia) to All Panelists : no
06:49:44 From Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia) to All Panelists : for service IM point of view, the model should be the same.
06:53:26 From Steve Terrill : can you please repeate when the models will be ready
06:53:51 From DENG Hui to All Panelists : I will talk this later
06:54:06 From Steve Terrill : OK, thanks Deng
06:54:59 From DENG Hui to All Panelists : diffcult for me, not easy job
07:07:39 From Claude Noshpitz (AT&T) : question: what would be impact on runtime support?
07:09:49 From Claude Noshpitz (AT&T) : makes sense, thanks!
07:10:00 From Parviz Yegani p00383288 to All Panelists : RH
07:14:08 From Kenny Paul to Parviz Yegani p00383288, All Panelists : I keep muting you because it is creating an echo.
07:14:30 From Kenny Paul to Parviz Yegani p00383288, All Panelists : when you aren’t talking.
07:18:58 From Claude Noshpitz (AT&T) : question: what is the strategy for adopting TOSCA Simple Profile 1.2? Who is responsible?
07:19:06 From Steve Terrill : Brian, was your question answered?
07:19:40 From Michael O'Brien : common issue - for multicloud which uses python - the logging project does not have a python library let - so all projects that provide service libraries will nee dual java/python RI libraries
07:22:42 From Tony Hansen to All Panelists : please don’t call java logging from python
07:24:06 From Tony Hansen to All Panelists : python has logging libraries than can be built on - work has been done with python logging in dcae project
07:24:55 From Rittwik Jana (AT&T)  : https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Modeling+tools
07:27:33 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : Sorry all... seem to have a microphone issue. All mutes were apparently off. As noted there is a training video (in chapters) and also information about versions etc.
07:27:51 From Maopeng to Tony Hansen, All Panelists : could you share the python loggin libraries? thanks
07:28:22 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : It is provided via the link
07:28:40 From Brian Hedstrom : I don’t see it on that page, it’s blank
07:28:44 From Michael O'Brien : logging project commits eclipse project, classpath - but works with IntelliJ
07:30:39 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : lower down
07:30:55 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : We should update the version on the page
07:30:58 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : It is in the comments
07:32:50 From Steve Terrill : M3 is the API freeze on 3/8. I assume that has a dependancy on the DM or ?
07:33:23 From Rittwik Jana (AT&T) : From Nigel's comments: we identify Papyrus version 3.2.0 RC4 as the version to use. The video shows you how to get this version.This should be run on Eclipse version 4.7.2 “Oxygen”. We should also use Gendoc version 0.6.0 as noted in the guidelines, but that has not yet been agreed.
07:33:32 From DENG Hui to All Panelists : not exactly depends on M3, we will try
07:34:22 From Jimmy Forsyth : Modeling contacts for each project: https://wiki.onap.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=24642264
07:36:15 From Kenny Paul : >>Discussion comments don’t indicate a decision being made. @Brian H, is that in the context of eclipse/papyrus version in the comments section of the link?
07:37:33 From Brian Hedstrom : @kenny Yes, thanks.
07:39:11 From Brian Hedstrom : Nigel’s comment on that page was in context of what ONF is using
07:40:04 From Nigel Davis (Ciena) : I have now updated the page https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/Modeling+tools to show the versions more clearly
07:40:18 From Brian Hedstrom : Thank you Nigel.
07:47:37 From Steve Terrill : Alla, where is the presentation, I couldn't see it here: https://wiki.onap.org/display/DW/VF2F+Feb.+5-8%2C+2018 I thought I heard you say it was uploaded
07:49:12 From Lingli Deng : volte does not include PNF in its definition.
07:49:25 From Lingli Deng : PNF is from 5G usecase.
07:50:10 From Helen Chen : @Lingli, we are trying to add it to VoLTE, that’s why it is a stretch
07:51:01 From Maopeng to All Panelists : @ Helen, who provide the PNF? Also it is not talked, right?
07:54:20 From Anh Le (Netcracker) to All Panelists : My question is the integration with EMS for PNF can be very vendor and equipement specific. No widely accepted standard on 5G management. So will that integration for VoLTE and EvCPE will be open-sourced?
08:02:12 From Lingli Deng : @Helen, to clarify that we as one of the usecase owner could not commit on a PNF support, as CMCC does not provide PNF. Curious about who could be providing the PNF, and what are the impacts to infovled projects.
08:03:44 From Helen Chen : @Lingli,
08:03:59 From Helen Chen : I will send you the flow and related projects from email
08:04:07 From Helen Chen : and then decide.

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6:27 AM C<cdonley> Chris Donley @kenny - would you please mute everyone (except Bin) on the HPA bridge?
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05:51:56     From ONAPmeet1 : Good Morning, I will go ahead and start the recording now. I will not be on-line for this session however.
06:38:48     From ZTE : Do all red, orange and yellow policy violations have to be eliminated?
06:40:21     From Anatoly Katzman : Dual licensing, when the same software is distributed under 2 licenses in the same time - what does it mean? Especially when these 2 liceses are very different: permissive vs copyleft?
06:47:54     From ZTE : Thank you, Steve. That’s very helpful.
07:02:13     From Gildas Lanilis g00377155 : in term of versionning, we shoulld use the same as in ONAP code,which is Semantic Versionning.
07:31:17     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : Gliffy and plantUML are very good diagram collaboration tools - we try to avoid pasted images/ppt
07:43:40     From Rich Bennett : ( plant )UML now works, example here http://docs.onap.org/en/latest/use-cases/vfw.html
07:49:40     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : Will try to assist OPFNV more - a very good project
07:49:42     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/AUTO/Auto+Project+Meetings
07:55:19     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : good question - we had the same ad-hoc discussions in prep for kubecon and the f2f - maybe a periodic sync meet and a commitement to be a a online tag team during the actual talks of the 2 groups
07:55:50     From Michael O'Brien (OOM/Logging) : partially
07:56:01     From Phil Robb : Here is the Dev Forum Site: https://wiki.lfnetworking.org/display/LN/LFN+Developer+Forum+Session+Proposals